Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Christian" == Christian Hammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christian> ... to be replaced by what? The maintainers simply won't Christian> write manpages en mass, so when deleting undocumented(1) Christian> many packages will have binaries without manpage making it Christian> harder for new

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-28 Thread Raul Miller
> > > has been useless more often than I liked... thanks to undocumented(1). On Mon, 28.08.00 13:03 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > Wasn't there a policy proposal to get rid of these bogus pages? On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 07:50:29PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote: > ... to be replaced by what? The ma

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-28 Thread Christian Hammers
Hello On Mon, 28.08.00 13:03 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > has been useless more often than I liked... thanks to undocumented(1). > Wasn't there a policy proposal to get rid of these bogus pages? ... to be replaced by what? The maintainers simply won't write manpages en mass, so when deleting undo

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-28 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:36:16PM +0200, "J?rgen A. Erhard" wrote: > "dpkg -L foo |grep man" > > has been useless more often than I liked... thanks to undocumented(1). Yep, another reason for getting rid of that junk. [Personally, I've got dpkg redirected so that the cover script fires up a li

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-28 Thread Jürgen A. Erhard
"dpkg -L foo |grep man" has been useless more often than I liked... thanks to undocumented(1). Just my EU 0.02 Bye, J -- Jürgen A. Erhard[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (GERMANY) 0721 27326 My WebHome: http://members.tripod.com/Juergen_Erhard Debian GNU/Linux (http://w

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Aug-00, 18:17 (CDT), Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ... Current policy > > requires that /usr/doc/ exist (possibly as a symlink to > > /usr/share/doc/). > > Then why don't more package implement that policy? Because they're *brok

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-24 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > From: Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ... Current policy > > requires that /usr/doc/ exist (possibly as a symlink to > > /usr/share/doc/). > Then why don't more package implement that policy? If the package doesn't do th

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Nate Amsden
There are probably 2 packaging interfaces you could check out .. kpackage (not part of debian i dont think but available from kde.tdyc.com) gnome-apt nate Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > > > Debian packages don't provide that orientat

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Raul Miller
From: Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ... Current policy > > requires that /usr/doc/ exist (possibly as a symlink to > > /usr/share/doc/). On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > Then why don't more package implement that policy? Please give some examples of pac

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > > So? I didn't say it was. I didn't say that Debian maintainers > should clean up upstream documentation. > > I just argued that in doc directory, which typically contains > a mess of upstream files, there should be a file tha

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > > Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all. > > ls -l /usr/doc/foo > > dpkg -L foo |grep bin > > dpkg -L foo |grep man > > dpkg -L foo |grep info > > works for *every* package. (Yes, I know it would be more e

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Daniel Barclay
> From: Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 22-Aug-00, 23:12 (CDT), Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > ... Current policy > requires that /usr/doc/ exist (possibly as a symlink to > /usr/share/doc/). Then why don't more package implement that policy? > > Some othe

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Daniel> Some packages don't have a documentation directory at all. Umm. Packages are _required_ to have a /usr/doc/ symlink/directory. Can you please point to the packages that do not, so we can file important bugs against them?

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Aug-00, 23:12 (CDT), Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some packages don't have a documentation directory at all. Then they are in violation of the Debian policy. Current policy requires that /usr/doc/ exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/). > Some others do but their f

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 12:12:47AM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > Why? Because of all the times I've needed such information and it > wasn't there or was hard to find. What's insufficient about dpkg -L ? (Or, if you've forgotten why you wanted to install the package, dpkg -s to look at the descr

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-22 Thread Daniel Barclay
> From: Rogerio Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Aug 19 2000, John Ackermann wrote: > > I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what > > configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it > > stores data (i.e., does it use space in /var) would be a bi

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Anthony Towns
debian-user trimmed. On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 10:31:14PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 19, John Ackermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what > >configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it > >stores

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Steve Bowman
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 12:55:25PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > silly. I venture to guess that 80% of all packages have a binary that > matches the package name, and don't need *any* (re)configuration. And > of the remainder, most do have adequate documentation already. I haven't checked recentl

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
> >I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what > >configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it > >stores data (i.e., does it use space in /var) would be a big help. > less /var/lib/dpkg/info/.list > > If you really care, write a nice wrapper

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 19, John Ackermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what >configuration files the package uses (and where they are), and where it >stores data (i.e., does it use space in /var) would be a big help. less /var/lib/dpkg/info/.list

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread John Ackermann
> > Why don't all Debian packages come with installation instructions > in a _standard_ place that tell you what you need to do (after > installing the package) to configure or use the package you just > loaded? I heartily agree with Daniel's plea. Eveb a simple listing of what configuration

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Chris Waters
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 03:23:22PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > Why don't all Debian packages come with installation instructions > in a _standard_ place that tell you what you need to do (after > installing the package) to configure or use the package you just > loaded? Most Debian packages

PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-19 Thread Daniel Barclay
Why don't all Debian packages come with installation instructions in a _standard_ place that tell you what you need to do (after installing the package) to configure or use the package you just loaded? There needs to be a standard place to consult to know what a package needs (setup) and what i