Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-07-03 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/07/02(5)/19:07, Steve Greenland montris sian geniecon skribante: > [talking about Apps/Editors/Emacsen/..., and continuing about > the collapsing trees:] > > Now consider the GIMP: its menu entry might be > "Apps/Graphics/Editors/bitmaps". But even if the only installed package > with a men

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-07-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-Jun-99, 05:05 (CDT), joost witteveen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The real difference is that when a program P happens to be in > a/b/c/d/P, then with the hints, that location may be relocated > to a/b/d/c/P (with c and d exchanged). Many probably again really > dislike that, but think about

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-30 Thread joost witteveen
Let me reply once more to this email, as either I don't understand what is meant with `collapsing trees', or a lot of other people don't. Fearing about stuff originally placed in Apps/Vieuwers and Apps/Sound suddenly being placed in Apps/MultiMedia, Steve wrote: > I still don't think that I like

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-29 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/06/27(0)/15:06, Steve Greenland montris sian geniecon skribante: > Consider that things like xdvi and tkman should be under "Apps/Viewers". > It would never occur to me that they could be under "Apps/Multimedia"; > If I found them there, I would submit a bug to the package maintainers > (w

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-27 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-Jun-99, 16:16 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well the alternative that has been brought up before is to make everything > use a deeper tree (like Apps/Editors/Big/Emacsen), and have menu > automatically collapse the tree to Apps/Editors on your system with 2 editors > and kee

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-22 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/06/21(1)/12:06, Chris Waters montris sian geniecon skribante: > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Wow! You've utterly bypassed the whole policy issue with a brilliant idea! > > Well, no (though that was my first reaction too). We still should > have a policy regarding the *defa

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-21 Thread Chris Waters
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wow! You've utterly bypassed the whole policy issue with a brilliant idea! Well, no (though that was my first reaction too). We still should have a policy regarding the *default* menu layout, and it still makes sense to have it separate from the menu packa

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-21 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/06/20(0)/13:06, Edward Betts montris sian geniecon skribante: > On debian-policy, joost witteveen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I've just released menu-2.0. It has many new features, one of > > wich is the automatic optimization of the menu tree, using > > something I'v

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-21 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/06/19(6)/23:06, Richard Braakman montris sian geniecon skribante: > joost witteveen wrote: > > forcetree > > Apps/Sound > > endforcetree > > Is it also possible to specify that a menu (such as Apps) must have only > submenus? Mixed menus seem cluttered and I find them hard to use. At t

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-21 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/06/20(0)/12:06, Joseph Carter montris sian geniecon skribante: > On Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 02:50:51PM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > > > Would it be possible to group menu items that would be together, just do > > > not > > > put them in the menu? So my menu would become: > > > > > > Ap

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-20 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 02:50:51PM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > > Would it be possible to group menu items that would be together, just do not > > put them in the menu? So my menu would become: > > > > Apps> > > Games > > > Screen > > > System > > > Wi

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-20 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
> Would it be possible to group menu items that would be together, just do not > put them in the menu? So my menu would become: > > Apps> > Games > > Screen > > System > > Window Managers > > Command Tool > Shell Tool > Xterm But you would loose the alpha

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-20 Thread Joey Hess
Richard Braakman wrote: > Is it also possible to specify that a menu (such as Apps) must have only > submenus? Mixed menus seem cluttered and I find them hard to use. I'd like to see that too. -- see shy jo

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-20 Thread Edward Betts
On debian-policy, joost witteveen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > I've just released menu-2.0. It has many new features, one of > wich is the automatic optimization of the menu tree, using > something I've called "hints". This is what I want to start > discussion about with this messa

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-20 Thread Richard Braakman
joost witteveen wrote: > forcetree > Apps/Sound > endforcetree Is it also possible to specify that a menu (such as Apps) must have only submenus? Mixed menus seem cluttered and I find them hard to use. Richard Braakman

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-19 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/06/19(6)/14:06, Joey Hess montris sian geniecon skribante: [..] > Well the alternative that has been brought up before is to make everything > use a deeper tree (like Apps/Editors/Big/Emacsen), and have menu > automatically collapse the tree to Apps/Editors on your system with 2 editors

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-19 Thread Joey Hess
Joey Hess wrote: > Well the alternative that has been brought up before is to make everything > use a deeper tree (like Apps/Editors/Big/Emacsen), and have menu > automatically collapse the tree to Apps/Editors on your system with 2 editors > and keep the big tree on mine (that has every editor in

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-19 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/06/19(6)/14:06, Chris Waters montris sian geniecon skribante: > I'm also a little concerned about possible confusion for the > individual users. As it is now, when I install a new package, and I > can't find the menu entry in the first place I look, I just go check > the /usr/lib/menu/pkg

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-19 Thread Joey Hess
joost witteveen wrote: > > It sounds like this can generate > > many possible trees that, while optimal, are very different depending on > > what's installed. Which means that a user who is familiar with the menus on > > one system might be completly lost on another. > > Well, the trees generated

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-19 Thread Chris Waters
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > joost witteveen wrote: > > Although this procedure ignores the real debian tree (so much > > discussed about), it does eventually come up that look surprisingly > > like just that tree. > Can you post an example? The thing I'm concerned about is consistency

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-19 Thread joost witteveen
Je 1999/06/19(6)/13:06, Joey Hess montris sian geniecon skribante: > joost witteveen wrote: > > I've just released menu-2.0. It has many new features, one of > > wich is the automatic optimization of the menu tree, using > > something I've called "hints". This is what I want to start > > discussi

Re: Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-19 Thread Joey Hess
joost witteveen wrote: > I've just released menu-2.0. It has many new features, one of > wich is the automatic optimization of the menu tree, using > something I've called "hints". This is what I want to start > discussion about with this message. Wow! You've utterly bypassed the whole policy is

Menu-2.0, optimized menu tree, hints

1999-06-19 Thread joost witteveen
Hi there, I've just released menu-2.0. It has many new features, one of wich is the automatic optimization of the menu tree, using something I've called "hints". This is what I want to start discussion about with this message. First, why: On my system, there are only two