Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-05-17 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 03:05:21PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 06:27:05PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > After the 486, Intel always provided a method to determine the CPU type and > > features available. As far as I can tell, there's no easy programmatic wa

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-05-06 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 06:27:05PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > After the 486, Intel always provided a method to determine the CPU type and > features available. As far as I can tell, there's no easy programmatic way > to tell the difference between a (old, no CPUID) 486 and an (old, no

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-05-05 Thread Dale E Martin
[ nice summary of the various 386 and 486 clones snipped ] > As someone else mentioned, i386s are vanishing pretty quickly due to > component failure. Cheap or discarded 486s are available by the busload > to replace them, anyway... Sure. Since some people are talking about pentium and 686 comp

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-05-05 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Dale Martin said: >don't support. We have to think about: >- All of the x86 compatible Intel processors All except the actual i386 (all suffixes) support the 486 instruction set. >- All of the x86 compatible AMD processors All except the 386* chips support the 486 instruction set. >- All of the

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-05-01 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Fri, 02 May 2003 12:58:41 +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: > At Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:17:32 +0200, > Matthias Klose wrote: > > What are the steps to be taken to move to i486-linux? Has this to be > > decided on debian-policy? > > > > Would it be ok to drop i386-linux until somebody starts it again? >

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-05-01 Thread GOTO Masanori
At Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:17:32 +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > What are the steps to be taken to move to i486-linux? Has this to be > decided on debian-policy? > > Would it be ok to drop i386-linux until somebody starts it again? How about using hwcap? So, libstdc++ (i486-i6/786) put on /usr/lib, l

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-05-01 Thread Dale E Martin
(Sorry to follow-up to my own post) > - All of the x86 compatible Intel processors > - All of the x86 compatible AMD processors > - All of the x86 compatible Cyrix processors > - All of the x86 compatible VIA processors > - All of the x86 compatible TransMeta processors > - The National Semicondu

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-05-01 Thread Dale E Martin
> > I am in favor of dropping the 386 altogether, I missed the beginning of this discussion (perhaps it was on -devel only?), so sorry if this has been brought up already. I've got a machine with a VIA C3 processor, which I believe does not support the "cmov" opcode unlike most modern x86 impleme

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Klose
Neil Roeth writes: > Nice summary. > > * Drop i386 support mostly. 'i386' architecture becomes 'i486'. > > Start a 'Debian-real-i386' subproject, with a 'real-i386' architecture, > > but don't require that any packages build on it in order to go into > > testing or to release Debian; it would be