Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-27 Thread Yann Dirson
Keita Maehara writes: > > * No binary-section manpages (mainly 1, 6, 8) in `manpages' and > > `manpages-' packages, but in their relevant binary packages. > > Is this applied to translated version of Debian-specific manpages? > Namely, translated version of dpkg(8) should go into package dpk

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-27 Thread Martin Schulze
Keita Maehara writes: > From: Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Chosing release goals for slink > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:36:53 +0200 (CEST) > > > * No binary-section manpages (mainly 1, 6, 8) in `manpages' and > > `manpages-' packages, but in

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-14 Thread Roman Hodek
> Except dpkg is written in C, only dselect uses C++. I was thinking about the package dpkg, not the binary of the same name... But I hope my intentions with the example were clear :-) Roman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-14 Thread Roman Hodek
> I was assuming all of the Debian dev packages would be installed on > these build hosts. These are myriads, too :-), and the source dependencies of package aren't so uniform... For example, some packages need specific versions (happened with gimp/lingtk-dev), depend on emacs being present, depe

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-14 Thread James Troup
Roman Hodek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just uploading the stuff might result in major desaster... A > hypothectical example: dpkg uses C++, Except dpkg is written in C, only dselect uses C++. (If that was the ``hypothetical'' part of your example, excuse my pedantry.) -- James ~Yawn And Wal

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-14 Thread Martin Mitchell
Roman Hodek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Not even that... you also need some kind of source dependencies, > except you want to install the whole of Debian on the build machine, > plus a bit more (e.g. Tcl/Tk sources etc.) I was assuming all of the Debian dev packages would be installed on these

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-14 Thread Roman Hodek
> Such automation (silly as it is) would be absolutely trivial to > implement, Not even that... you also need some kind of source dependencies, except you want to install the whole of Debian on the build machine, plus a bit more (e.g. Tcl/Tk sources etc.) I'm currently trying to set up a semi-au

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Martin" == Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think your ad hominems are unjustified and unnecessary, Martin. Martin> Hehe, maybe give credit to manoj for this line. :) Huh? manoj -- Man shall never reach

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-13 Thread James Troup
Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (btw severity "important-ish" means severity normal to the BTS - see > #24255) Duh; I'm well aware of that, I used it for that reason. Please stop being so damn condescending and also stop telling me what to do; I'll do what I want, not what you want

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-13 Thread James Troup
Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Yes, but not all of them, and not to the extent that you could call > > > it full unattended (NB not unsupervised) autocompiling. > > > > Rubbish. >

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-13 Thread Martin Mitchell
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Yes, but not all of them, and not to the extent that you could call > > it full unattended (NB not unsupervised) autocompiling. > > Rubbish. Would you like to elaborate? Are the packages automatically pu

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-13 Thread Martin Mitchell
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think your ad hominems are unjustified and unnecessary, Martin. Hehe, maybe give credit to manoj for this line. :) > > You say we now have people helping Guy, who are they? > > Richard Braakman and myself. Fine, well now that Incoming is clear, how a

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marco" == Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marco> On Jul 11, Marco Budde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We should add PGP or GPG support for dpkg, so that we can include a >> signature in the deb packages themselves. Marco> No, we shouldn't do that because we must have an easy

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-13 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 11, Marco Budde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We should add PGP or GPG support for dpkg, so that we can include a >signature in the deb packages themselves. No, we shouldn't do that because we must have an easy way to sign a package when the PGP key is not on the same computer used to bu

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-12 Thread James Troup
Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Guy this is not a slam to you or any of the people who help you. It clearly is. > That said, one of the biggest problems I see facing Debian today and > in the future is that our list of packages grows daily. You exaggerate wildly. There are for more impor

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-12 Thread James Troup
Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, but not all of them, and not to the extent that you could call > it full unattended (NB not unsupervised) autocompiling. Rubbish. -- James ~Yawn And Walk North~ http://yawn.nocrew.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-12 Thread James Troup
Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * Developer controlled automatic archive maintenance (eg removal of > > > packages automatically after GPG signed email with list of > > > packages to delete) > > > > I think this idea, as presented here, is very bad. Even with sanity > > che

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-12 Thread Keita Maehara
From: Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Chosing release goals for slink Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:36:53 +0200 (CEST) > * No binary-section manpages (mainly 1, 6, 8) in `manpages' and > `manpages-' packages, but in their relevant binary packages. Is this applied to

Re^2: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-12 Thread Marco Budde
Am 11.07.98 schrieb martin # debian.org ... Moin Martin! MM> * GPG as standard signature for packages We should add PGP or GPG support for dpkg, so that we can include a signature in the deb packages themselves. MM> That's all that comes to mind right now, any other suggestions? Of course. I

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-11 Thread Yann Dirson
James Troup writes: > Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Not to speak for him but, I take this to mean auto creation of debs > > from a central repository. An idea that has been kicked around for > > a while. With new machines coming RSN we should be able to have one > > for every ar

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-11 Thread Martin Mitchell
Rob Browning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Gecko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Are the even partially possible or are these desirable goals not to be > > attempted? > > My impression from recent conversations was that we were leaning in > the direction of not having our goals coupled to

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marco" == Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> * Autocompilation support Marco> What do we still have to do to support that? Nothing much, I hope. Now that I am back, I shall be working on a set of scripts that do just that (my scripts also create a CVS tree for the sour

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-11 Thread Martin Mitchell
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Not to speak for him but, I take this to mean auto creation of debs > > from a central repository. An idea that has been kicked around for > > a while. With new machines coming RSN we should be able to have one >

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-11 Thread Martin Mitchell
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Developer controlled automatic archive maintenance (eg removal of > > packages automatically after GPG signed email with list of > > packages to delete) > > I think this idea, as presented here, is very bad. Even with sanity > checks and more tho

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-11 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 03:40:21PM -0400, Shaleh wrote: > Guy this is not a slam to you or any of the people who help you. > > That said, one of the biggest problems I see facing Debian today and in > the future is that our list of packages grows daily. A ftp maintainer > or group of them is a ne

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Enrique Zanardi wrote: > On Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 03:50:25AM +1000, Martin Mitchell wrote: > > * Developer controlled automatic archive maintenance (eg removal of packages > > automatically after GPG signed email with list of packages to delete) > > That is a very interesting goal. Have you asked

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 03:50:25AM +1000, Martin Mitchell wrote: > Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * GPG as standard signature for packages > * Bugs mentioned in changelog closed automatically upon package installation > * Developer controlled automatic archive maintenance (eg removal of

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 10, Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >* GPG as standard signature for packages I don't know if it will be ready. Every new release I still find new bugs (and I haven't started using it for everiday things). >* Autocompilation support What do we still have to do to support that?

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread James Troup
"Jules Bean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> * Developer controlled automatic archive maintenance (eg removal of > >> packages automatically after GPG signed email with list of > >> packages to delete) > > > > I think this idea, as presented here, is very bad. Even with sanity > > checks an

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Rob Browning
The Gecko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are the even partially possible or are these desirable goals not to be > attempted? My impression from recent conversations was that we were leaning in the direction of not having our goals coupled to releases anymore. We would have goals that we were work

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Jules Bean
--On Fri, Jul 10, 1998 10:13 pm +0200 "James Troup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> That's all that comes to mind right now, any other suggestions? > > That we release slink before 2038 or so? These goals (the desirable > ones, that is) aren't viab

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread The Gecko
On 10-Jul-98 James Troup wrote: > That we release slink before 2038 or so? These goals (the desirable > ones, that is) aren't viable if we want slink to not be the disaster > hamm is. Are the even partially possible or are these desirable goals not to be attempted? ---

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread James Troup
Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Not to speak for him but, I take this to mean auto creation of debs > from a central repository. An idea that has been kicked around for > a while. With new machines coming RSN we should be able to have one > for every arch supported. Well don't worry, while

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Shaleh
> > * Autocompilation support > > Eh? That sounds suspiciously like meaningless buzz-word talk. What's > ``autocompilation support'' please? Not to speak for him but, I take this to mean auto creation of debs from a central repository. An idea that has been kicked around for a while. With new

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread James Troup
Martin Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Developer controlled automatic archive maintenance (eg removal of > packages automatically after GPG signed email with list of > packages to delete) I think this idea, as presented here, is very bad. Even with sanity checks and more thought, I'

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Shaleh
Guy this is not a slam to you or any of the people who help you. That said, one of the biggest problems I see facing Debian today and in the future is that our list of packages grows daily. A ftp maintainer or group of them is a needed thing, but I also feel that either the developers need to hav

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
> That is a very interesting goal. Have you asked Guy Maor about how doable > is it? Some tasks will have to be done by-hand, as currently (installing > new packages, or any package that goes to frozen or stable), but a lot of > bugs filed against ftp.debian.org would be closed faster if we could >

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 03:50:25AM +1000, Martin Mitchell wrote: > * Developer controlled automatic archive maintenance (eg removal of packages > automatically after GPG signed email with list of packages to delete) That is a very interesting goal. Have you asked Guy Maor about how doable is it?

Re: Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Martin Mitchell
Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Maybe some will think it's not yet time to discuss this, but I think > we need a central repository for ideas of what the release goals for > slink will be. > > The following list is only built from what I remember to have read at > some point, so it will

Chosing release goals for slink

1998-07-10 Thread Yann Dirson
Maybe some will think it's not yet time to discuss this, but I think we need a central repository for ideas of what the release goals for slink will be. The following list is only built from what I remember to have read at some point, so it will need surely some additions. I also add some items