Hello Ian,
On Tue 14 Aug 2018 at 05:48PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I think part of the difficulty we are having with this is by failing
> to have a kind of contextual introduction.
I see what you are trying to do, but there are two immediate
difficulties:
- Debian itself uses the term 'change
Simon McVittie writes ("Bug#459427: Patch seeking seconds on changelog vs. NEWS
handling"):
> Debian packages have a Debian changelog and (when the source package
> is included, without which we are not GPL-compliant anyway) a Debian
> diff/tar, so there is certainly a promi
Sean Whitton writes ("Bug#459427: Patch seeking seconds on changelog vs. NEWS
handling"):
> +If an upstream release notes file is available, containing a summary
> +of changes between upstream releases intended for end users of the
> +package and often called ``NEWS``, it shou
Hello Bill,
On Fri 27 Jul 2018 at 12:31PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> I am fine with the removal of source-level changelogs, with the provisio
> that the concept of source-level changelog be clearly defined in policy.
> This needs to be worded carefully so that maintainers do not start
> remov
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 08:09:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Sean Whitton writes:
>
> > It's become clear that we do not have consensus on recommending that
> > only the release notes be installed, and not also the changelog.
>
> I'm happy to see this go into Policy, but I find it unfortunate
Sean Whitton writes:
>
> diff --git a/policy/ch-docs.rst b/policy/ch-docs.rst
> index 1de221f..e990f34 100644
> --- a/policy/ch-docs.rst
> +++ b/policy/ch-docs.rst
> @@ -255,32 +255,45 @@ files may be installed into ``/usr/share/doc/package``.
>
> .. _s-changelogs:
>
> -Changelog files
> ---
Sean Whitton writes:
> It's become clear that we do not have consensus on recommending that
> only the release notes be installed, and not also the changelog.
I'm happy to see this go into Policy, but I find it unfortunate that we're
unwilling to take a stance against this. The source-level Cha
On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 at 20:57:41 -0700, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> a) The work must carry prominent notices stating that you modified
>it, and giving a relevant date.
I don't think this is normally interpreted as requiring that *all*
modifications be listed, only that the existence of mod
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 01:05:16PM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> diff --git a/policy/ch-docs.rst b/policy/ch-docs.rst
> index 1de221f..e990f34 100644
> --- a/policy/ch-docs.rst
> +++ b/policy/ch-docs.rst
> @@ -255,32 +255,45 @@ files may be installed into ``/usr/share/doc/package``.
>
> .. _s-cha
[if you were CCed on this e-mail: this was because you seconded a
previous version of the patch which included a recommendation which I
have now dropped, and I hope you'll second the revised patch, further
down this e-mail]
Hello Jonathan,
On Wed 25 Jul 2018 at 08:57PM -0700, Jonathan Nieder wrot
Sean Whitton wrote:
> On Wed 25 Jul 2018 at 07:01PM -0700, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
>> I share gregor's discomfort: I don't think we've thought this through.
>
> I too want Policy to be as correct as possible, but this bug has been
> open for ten years and one thing upon which there is certainly con
Hello,
On Wed 25 Jul 2018 at 07:01PM -0700, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> I share gregor's discomfort: I don't think we've thought this through.
I too want Policy to be as correct as possible, but this bug has been
open for ten years and one thing upon which there is certainly consensus
is that the c
Hi,
Sean Whitton wrote:
> On Mon 23 Jul 2018 at 01:40PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
>> Let me see if I got this right, and apply it to the typical pkg-perl
>> package:
>>
>> CPAN distributions usually contain no NEWS file, and do contain a
>> Changes/ChangeLog/... file which is "an upstream rel
Hello Bill,
On Mon 23 Jul 2018 at 12:29PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> The issue is that the recommendation does not include a rationale, and
> it seems to me the rationale is based on an implicit definition of
> changelog which is not communicated either (or more precisely, it is
> based on th
Hello gregor,
On Mon 23 Jul 2018 at 01:40PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
> Let me see if I got this right, and apply it to the typical pkg-perl
> package:
>
> CPAN distributions usually contain no NEWS file, and do contain a
> Changes/ChangeLog/... file which is "an upstream release notes file"
On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 11:35:48 +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > +If an upstream release notes file is available, containing a summary
> > +of changes between upstream releases intended for end users of the
> > +package and often called ``NEWS``, it should be accessible as
> > +``/usr/share/doc/package
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 07:50:59AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Hello Bill,
>
> On Sun 22 Jul 2018 at 07:45PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
>
> > I have to disagree with that recommendation. It all depends on how the
> > changelog is worded. Since we do not include a definition of changelog
> > an
Hello Bill,
On Sun 22 Jul 2018 at 07:45PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> I have to disagree with that recommendation. It all depends on how the
> changelog is worded. Since we do not include a definition of changelog
> and NEWS file, we cannot assume that one of them is useless without the
> sour
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 11:35:48AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> control: tag -1 +patch
>
> - I have chosen to include the recommendation not to install both the
> changelog and the release notes if both are available. I've done this
> using the term 'recommended', which is the weakest require
On Sun, Jul 22 2018, Sean Whitton wrote:
> The argument for including the recommendation is that a changelog is
> not very useful in a binary package, except as a fallback when no
> release notes are available. If you're going to dig into an upstream
> changelog you will do so alongside a
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 11:35:48AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> control: tag -1 +patch
>
> Hello all,
[...]
Thanks for working on this and thanks for including your rationale
about the tradeoffs you had to make.
While I still retain my aging view on this which isn't perfectly
described by your p
On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 11:35:48AM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > diff --git a/policy/ch-docs.rst b/policy/ch-docs.rst
> > index 1de221f..1503ed8 100644
> > --- a/policy/ch-docs.rst
> > +++ b/policy/ch-docs.rst
> > @@ -255,32 +255,48 @@ files may be installed into
> > ``/usr/share/doc/package``.
>
Sean Whitton writes:
>> diff --git a/policy/ch-docs.rst b/policy/ch-docs.rst
>> index 1de221f..1503ed8 100644
>> --- a/policy/ch-docs.rst
>> +++ b/policy/ch-docs.rst
>> @@ -255,32 +255,48 @@ files may be installed into ``/usr/share/doc/package``.
>>
>> .. _s-changelogs:
>>
>> -Changelog files
>
control: tag -1 +patch
Hello all,
David Bremner and I took a look at this bug this morning at DebCamp
and I realised that I had been missing something (which Russ had
actually pointed out in an older message): lots of packages already
install a package's NEWS file as /usr/share/doc/foo/NEWS.gz.
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