On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > The only recourse that I have is to go "read" the policy manual every week
> > or two to see if there is anything that has changed. I don't have the
> > time, or inclination to subject myself to that, so I end up find
> Same thing here. Would it be possible to have a WWW-page on which all
> policy changes are logged? Something like:
>
> 1/1/93: All manpages should be compressed for policy 2.0.3.99
> 1/2/94: All packages should switch to the new source format, policy 2.1.2.3
> etc. etc.
>
> I would really appre
Hi,
>>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dale> I believe that Policy is important enough that concesus is
Dale> required.
Quite so.
Dale> This is a general problem for others as well. We have longwinded
Dale> discussions on a "given thread" that tend to diverge off into
Previously Dale Scheetz wrote:
> The only recourse that I have is to go "read" the policy manual every week
> or two to see if there is anything that has changed. I don't have the
> time, or inclination to subject myself to that, so I end up finding out
> about policy from a bug report.
Same thin
On 7 Oct 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Hi,
> >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Dale> First of all, I'm not necessarily speaking in opposition to the
> Dale> current policy here, but I am objecting to the way policy is
> Dale> being decided. An "excelent solution" that "no
On 7 Oct 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
[snip]
> Dale> I pay close attention to traffic on the list. While this doesn't
> Dale> guarantee that I will not miss things, I sure missed Ian's
> Dale> posting on this issue.
All policy changes are included in the "POLICY WEEKLY" postings. These
postings
Hi,
>>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dale> First of all, I'm not necessarily speaking in opposition to the
Dale> current policy here, but I am objecting to the way policy is
Dale> being decided. An "excelent solution" that "noone objected" to,
Dale> should not constitute a poli
On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote:
> > Policy Manual 2.3.0.0, Section 4.3 Editors and pagers
> >
> The policy manual doesn't make it very clear as to why the "editor" has
> the responsibility, rather than the package that wishes to use it.
> For
On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote:
> This issue was discussed on debian-devel (I think at that time,
> debian-policy did not exist yet). Ian J. posted an excellent solution to
> the editor/pager problem and noone objected so I went ahead and prepared
> the necessary policy changes. I thi
On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote:
[snip]
> I have been somewhat confused by this thread. I am finally starting to get
> the idea of what is being discussed. At first I thought we were "again"
> discussing the "editor" virtual package (an idea that was discussed and
> vetoed)
>
> As the main
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Dale Scheetz, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>As the maintainer of ae, this is the first time that I have heard about
>ae's responsibilities for providing /usr/bin/editor. I don't remember
>there ever being a discussion on this issue. (If it was di
Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can someone point me to the relevant chapters in the policy
> manual?
Policy 4.3, paragraph 4:
[/usr/bin/editor and /usr/bin/pager] ...are managed through
`alternatives.' That is, every package providing an editor or pager
has to call the `update-altern
On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote:
> On 5 Oct 1997, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
>
> > >Sorry, but I still don't understand your point. I totally agree with you
> > >that the current situation is not nice, but this is neither a bug in the
> > >policy nor in less. The bug is that the
On 5 Oct 1997, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
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> Christian Schwarz, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
> >But this is no bug in less but in all the editor packages that install an
> >editor but do not provide /usr/bin/editor. At least the editors
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Christian Schwarz, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>But this is no bug in less but in all the editor packages that install an
>editor but do not provide /usr/bin/editor. At least the editors in the
>base system (I think ae and tiny-vi) should provid
On 2 Oct 1997, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
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> Christian Schwarz, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
> >This discussion is getting too complicated for me :-) I don't know if
> >things are clear now, or not. So let me try to summarize.
>
> Sound
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Christian Schwarz, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>This discussion is getting too complicated for me :-) I don't know if
>things are clear now, or not. So let me try to summarize.
Sounds good.
>1. The policy manual 2.3.0.0 contains a section `4.
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 1. The base system has to provide initial settings for
> /usr/bin/{pager,editor}.
This is implemented for pager with util-linux 2.7.1 providing more.
(less also provides an alternative, but it's not in the base system.)
Guy
On 23 Sep 1997, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
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> Christian Schwarz, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
> >> If the envar EDITOR isn't set, less uses /usr/bin/editor. This is
> >> problematic since there are no editor packages yet that register t
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Christian Schwarz, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
>> If the envar EDITOR isn't set, less uses /usr/bin/editor. This is
>> problematic since there are no editor packages yet that register that as
>> an alternative. So, possibly it should depend on
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> All general purpose text editors (as opposed to quake level
> editors etc) should provide a symlink in /usr/bin/editor using
> update alternatives.
It's already there in 4.3. The same applies to /usr/bin/pager, btw.
Guy
Hi,
>>"Christian" == Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Christian> I think this is actually a bug of less or debian-policy, it
Christian> a bug of your preferred editor not providing
Christian> /usr/bin/editor. Please assign this bug to the editor
Christian> package.
Should thi
On 23 Sep 1997, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
> Package: less
> Version: 332-2
>
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> If the envar EDITOR isn't set, less uses /usr/bin/editor. This is
> problematic since there are no editor packages yet that register that as
> an alternative. So, possibl
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