On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 04:33:31PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 05:00:15PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > quilt is not even in the ball park. I am not sure it can play
> > the same ball game, even. I would love to see anyone try to convince
> > Linus how qui
David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 05:00:15PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I think you just need to go look at the Linux kernel source, and
>> git, and number and size of the different trees ythat are out there,
>> and how well git scales to those.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 04:22:10PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
> > I understand that you and a few other DDs feel that way, but you appear to
> > be outnumbered at the moment.
>
> By whom?
The XSF really likes quilt. We're interested in other options that
interface better with g
On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 05:00:15PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I think you just need to go look at the Linux kernel source, and
> git, and number and size of the different trees ythat are out there,
> and how well git scales to those.
>
> quilt is not even in the ball park.
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, really this thread (which, as you also said, is among the rare
> interesting and useful threads in our mailing lists nowadays) has
> shown me what I already know - That I should get more into DVCSs ;-) I
> won't repeat what Russ already replied to yo
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 03:26:38PM -0600]:
> > IMHO, the use cases are fundamentally different here - dpatch and
> > quilt are, in my eyes, mostly geared towards diffs used by packagers,
> > not as much by developers.
>
> Can you qualify why you hold such an opinion? I
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:24:02 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> I need to be able to maintain a ton of small patches in an easily
>> separable form that often will never be merged upstream, while doing
>> the absolute minimum of work to
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:24:02 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:04:29 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> said:
>>> If people use branches the way that quilt manages patches, it's
>>> great, and you get ev
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:04:29 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> If people use branches the way that quilt manages patches, it's great,
>> and you get everything you need, provided that you can figure out their
>> branch and merge strate
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:04:29 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I am not sure I follow. When you unpack a .dsc based on an
>> integration branch of a DVCS based package, you have the sources that
>> are going to be fed to the compiler -
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am not sure I follow. When you unpack a .dsc based on an
> integration branch of a DVCS based package, you have the sources that
> are going to be fed to the compiler -- no additional work is required
> by the end user.
>
> The ad
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:48:30 -0600, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Joey Hess dijo [Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 05:16:17PM -0500]:
>> Russ Allbery wrote:
>> > Well, basically every discussion about this that I've seen on
>> > -devel, discussions on -mentors, the teams that I'm familiar with
>> >
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:55:43 -0600, Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava dijo [Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 06:40:25PM -0600]:
>> Are you suggesting that somehow dpatch/quilt would have been even
>> more effective? How do you quickly get diffs between several
>> parrallel lines of de
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 06:40:25PM -0600]:
> Are you suggesting that somehow dpatch/quilt would have been
> even more effective? How do you quickly get diffs between several
> parrallel lines of development that I am trying out from a quilt'ed
> patch set?
IMHO, the
Joey Hess dijo [Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 05:16:17PM -0500]:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Well, basically every discussion about this that I've seen on -devel,
> > discussions on -mentors, the teams that I'm familiar with (pkg-perl is
> > standardizing on quilt
>
> I'm a member of pkg-perl, and 52 package
Russ Allbery dijo [Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 01:36:31PM -0800]:
> > By whom?
>
> Well, basically every discussion about this that I've seen on -devel,
> discussions on -mentors, the teams that I'm familiar with (pkg-perl is
> standardizing on quilt and other major packaging efforts seem to be doing
> l
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Are you counting people using .debian.org as using Alioth?
Yes, I just grepped for .debian.org in the Vcs-* urls.
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On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 04:22:10PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
> > I understand that you and a few other DDs feel that way, but you appear to
> > be outnumbered at the moment.
> By whom? IIRC I've heard both release team and security team members
> state they prefer dealing with
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:41:17 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> I don't think we really get back the functionality of quilt until
>> we're shipping the repository with the source package.
> This is an interesting statement. Wha
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:41:17 -0800, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I don't think we really get back the functionality of quilt until
> we're shipping the repository with the source package.
This is an interesting statement. What exactly does quilt get me
that a distributed VCS
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:33:58 -0500, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> However, out of all the packages with Vcs-* fields, only about 400
> (20%) don't use alioth. If maintainers going MIA and taking their
> version control repos with them becomes a problem, we could
> proactively mirror those
Russ Allbery wrote:
> I don't understand how svn-upgrade would work when you don't have write
> access to the repository, which I would expect to be the case in the
> situation you're talking about (the number of Alioth projects that allow
> global write is very limited at present). Could you expl
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm a member of pkg-perl, and 52 packages out of ~500 use quilt. We also
> have 20 packages using dpatch, and 45 using dbs. One or two pkg-perl
> members like quilt, others, such as myself, find it of dubious benefit
> on top of a proper version control syst
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Having the repository on alioth doesn't necessarily help if you're
>> talking about something like Subversion (and particularly CVS)
>> depending on the use case. I don't think we really get back the
>> functionality of quilt until we
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Having the repository on alioth doesn't necessarily help if you're talking
> about something like Subversion (and particularly CVS) depending on the
> use case. I don't think we really get back the functionality of quilt
> until we're shipping the repository with the source p
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Well, basically every discussion about this that I've seen on -devel,
> discussions on -mentors, the teams that I'm familiar with (pkg-perl is
> standardizing on quilt
I'm a member of pkg-perl, and 52 packages out of ~500 use quilt. We also
have 20 packages using dpatch, and
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> However, out of all the packages with Vcs-* fields, only about 400 (20%)
> don't use alioth. If maintainers going MIA and taking their version
> control repos with them becomes a problem, we could proactively mirror
> those onto alioth. A mirror that only ra
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery wrote:
>> I understand that you and a few other DDs feel that way, but you appear
>> to be outnumbered at the moment.
> By whom?
Well, basically every discussion about this that I've seen on -devel,
discussions on -mentors, the teams that I'm
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Which will only give useful results if we have a central repository for
> > all packages. If $RANDOM maintainer uses his own machine to host a
> > repository and goes MIA, you'll be left with one large and messy patch
> > as you do
Joey Hess wrote:
> 3714 source packages have Vcs-* fields, that's more already than those
2133
Bad grep that double counted packages with Vcs-Browser. I think the 4
month end of my estimate still stands.
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Russ Allbery wrote:
> I understand that you and a few other DDs feel that way, but you appear to
> be outnumbered at the moment.
By whom? IIRC I've heard both release team and security team members
state they prefer dealing with packages that don't use those things, and
a majority of packages don'
Bernd Zeimetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Best practice is to use a proper revision control system (one which can
>> do patch stack management if that's desired) and generate a
>> consolidated .dsc/.diff.gz for people who don't want to get to grips
>> with it.
> Which will only give useful res
> Best practice is to use a proper revision control system (one which
> can do patch stack management if that's desired) and generate a
> consolidated .dsc/.diff.gz for people who don't want to get to grips
> with it.
Which will only give useful results if we have a central repository
for all pac
Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> quilt and dpatch are commonly used but as someone who has done extensive
> work on packages for which I wasn't the Debian maintainer I would like
> to put on record that they are IMO very much _not_ best practice.
I understand that you and a few other DDs
patch. I trust Ian to document the feature, and the wording
> > seems fine to me. The only caveat is that I don't know if we're ready to
> > accept Breaks fields in the archive already, and I'm not sure who to ask
> > about that or how to decide it (ftp-master?).
&g
o me. The only caveat is that I don't know if we're ready to
> accept Breaks fields in the archive already, and I'm not sure who to ask
> about that or how to decide it (ftp-master?).
I would suggest not using Breaks in lenny (unfortunately), except for
the special case where
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