[This mail is part of Debian Policy Weekly issue #5]
Topic 6: Consistent handling of the Backspace and Delete keys
STATE: APPROVAL
The following proposal has been assembled by Ian Jackson and presented to
debian-policy twice now. It can be considered as first step towards the
`Consistent
On 13 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Correct. The second reason for this is that we have a (yet implicit)
> > policy that now package may depend on public environment to get reasonable
> > defaults. That's mainly because not all shells do parse /etc/profile.
>
> > No, tcsh for example does
> Correct. The second reason for this is that we have a (yet implicit)
> policy that now package may depend on public environment to get reasonable
> defaults. That's mainly because not all shells do parse /etc/profile.
> No, tcsh for example does not. Do the C shells fit in this policy?
They nee
On Fri, Dec 12, 1997 at 04:46:07PM +0100, Christian Schwarz wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Enrique Zanardi wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > > Why don't we use "export INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc" in /etc/profile, instead?
> > > (Would this make patching unnecessary?)
> >
> > Because the goal is to have _both_ a sys
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Enrique Zanardi wrote:
[snip]
> > Why don't we use "export INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc" in /etc/profile, instead?
> > (Would this make patching unnecessary?)
>
> Because the goal is to have _both_ a system-wide inputrc _and_ a
> user-specific one.
Correct. The second reason for thi
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote:
> Related question: Current bash is patched to recognize /etc/inputrc.
Not bash, but libreadline (it's used by bash and many other programs).
> Why don't we use "export INPUTRC=/etc/inputrc" in /etc/profile, instead?
> (Would this make patching un
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On 11 Dec 1997, Guy Maor wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark W. Eichin) writes:
> > If someone would prototype the changes that X needs and send them to
> > me, I'd appreciate it
>
> Same goes for me and /etc/inputrc.
Related question: Current bash is patched to r
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark W. Eichin) writes:
> If someone would prototype the changes that X needs and send them to
> me, I'd appreciate it
Same goes for me and /etc/inputrc.
Guy
If someone would prototype the changes that X needs and send them to
me, I'd appreciate it; I'll have time to review them and do a build,
but not necessarily time to think about them hard enough to actually
implement in the short term.
_Mark_ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Juan Cespedes:
> I think we should add something to that. The whole proposal
> refers only to the Linux console and X; but it says nothing about some
> other terminals commonly used in Debian; at least, I also use
> `screen', `emacs' (in *shell* mode), and `ytalk' (esc-s gives you a
> shel
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Pretty much, yes. I've attached a revised version which takes into
> account the recent comments.
I think we should add something to that. The whole proposal
refers only to the Linux console and X; but it says nothing about some
other terminals
Christian:
> If attached your initial proposal below. Please check if this is the
> correct proposal and if it's complete.
Pretty much, yes. I've attached a revised version which takes into
account the recent comments.
Ian.
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What we want is:
* `<--' always dele
On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Ian Jackson wrote:
[snip]
> Christian, I think we have rough consensus that my proposal should be
> implemented. If you agree you should say so, and then we can (a) file
> bug reports against packages which do not conform and (b) put it in
> the policy manual.
I must admit th
Since someone is complaining about interaction with systems with ^H as
an erase character I'll have to answer their objections.
There is no problem here. Non-neolithic systems will inherit the
erase character across telnet connections; rlogin always has worked.
If we implement my proposal then co
> Ricardas Cepas thinks that we should map <-- to ASCII BS and `Delete'
> to ASCII DEL. Is there anyone else who agrees with him ? If not then
> I think we can safely go with my proposal, as it has rough consensus.
>
> If there is then I need to argue with him and to convince people.
I _disagre
I agree with Ricardas Cepas.
Bob
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 16:02 GMT
> From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Ricardas Cepas thinks that we should map <-- to ASCII BS and `Delete'
> to ASCII DEL. Is there anyone else who agrees with him ? If not then
> I think we can safely go with my pro
Ricardas Cepas thinks that we should map <-- to ASCII BS and `Delete'
to ASCII DEL. Is there anyone else who agrees with him ? If not then
I think we can safely go with my proposal, as it has rough consensus.
If there is then I need to argue with him and to convince people.
Ian.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ricardas Cepas) writes:
>> Linux and other good operating systems already use DEL for backspace.
>
> AFAIK FreeBSD uses Del for delete and BS for backspace.
> And surely this doesn't make it bad OS. The same
The subject is widely covered in updated kbd.FAQ (kbd 0.95).
On Thu Nov 20 13:04:00 1997 +
Ian Jackson wrote:
...
> Linux and other good operating systems already use DEL for backspace.
...
AFAIK FreeBSD uses Del for delete and BS for backspace.
And surely this doesn't make
(Oops, sent this to debian-devel by mistake. Please reply here.)
Just a few queries to clear up. There seems to be little opposition
and reasonable support. Unless someone objects soon I think we should
make it policy and start to file bug reports.
Joey Hess:
> My only reservation is, can we a
> Some time ago I posted the message below to debian-devel. It received
> widespread support and no significant opposition. I think it
> should be made policy.
yes, Yes, YES!!!
I agree completely with the entire proposal.
Brian
6) For loadkeys script can be created first
> calling actual loadkeys and then loading values for Backspace and
> Delete as 5). I assume key-codes don't change on the same
> terminal, so this can be configured at installation time.
&g
actual loadkeys and then loading values for Backspace and
Delete as 5). I assume key-codes don't change on the same
terminal, so this can be configured at installation time.
kbd is in base on Debian, so loadkeys can be always invoked at
boot
Quoting Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> * Some terminals have a `<--' key that cannot be made to produce
>anything except ^H. On these terminals Emacs help will be
>unavailable
Not unavailable, just not on ^H. It would still be mapped to F1, or
M-xhelp in the worst case. I know some e
I am sure that emacs can program the keyboard to its liking. There is no need to
impose a standard on the rest of the world just because of emacs.
But I am not sure that Ian meant to proscribe Backspace -> DEL. Seems to me
that he
wants an app to respect the "stty erase" setting. I think that is
Hi,
>>"Ricardas" == Ricardas Cepas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ricardas> Regarding this Emacs bug usually it is possible to use F1
Ricardas> for help.
And most Emacs afficiandos say WWW (any such default may
give one a strong desire to explore freebsd, for example ;-)
manoj
; If it is made policy we can go and report bugs against all the
> programs that fail to implement it, and then hopefully for 2.0 we'll
> have backspace and delete working properly.
>
> Ian.
>
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>
On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Some time ago I posted the message below to debian-devel. It received
> widespread support and no significant opposition. I think it
> should be made policy.
Fully seconded. I think the current keyboard config is just a
mess. And I think we sh
This proposal sounds fine to me. I certianly agree with the goal.
My only reservation is, can we actually make this work for all programs?
What about motif programs? (I'm thinking specifically of netscape, which we
don't have source for). Ian, I wonder if you've tried to set up your system
the way
have backspace and delete working properly.
Ian.
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From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Debian developers list
Subject: Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration
What we want is:
* `<--' always deletes the chara
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