Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 12:36PM -07, Felix Lechner wrote: > How do you know that people actually bring their packages up to the > latest policy revision before they update the Standards-Version field? There is a "must" requirement not to do that in Policy, and I trust DDs to follow those.

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi Sean, On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:08 AM Sean Whitton wrote: > > It is useful metadata about the state of a package for when NMUers or > those outside of Debian want to work with it. How do you know that people actually bring their packages up to the latest policy revision before they update th

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Sam, On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 05:35PM -06, Sam Hartman wrote: > I thought I provided such an argument. > (you trimmed that part of my message when replying). > My argument was roughly that things like build systems, use of dh, > debian/rules interfaces etc might well need to apply to source p

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Sam, On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 05:35PM -06, Sam Hartman wrote: > I thought I provided such an argument. > (you trimmed that part of my message when replying). > My argument was roughly that things like build systems, use of dh, > debian/rules interfaces etc might well need to apply to source p

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 08:10AM -07, Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:57 AM Bill Allombert wrote: >> >> Is there some new external factor that make any unaddressed lintian >> warnings problematic ? > > That may go beyond the scope of the present discussion, but yes:

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Felix, On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 06:17PM -07, Felix Lechner wrote: > Would you please point to the argument for why d-i micro debs are > exempt from policy, or from a documented Standards-Version, or both? As has been noted by Phil Hands, one of the points of having udebs is to be able to igno

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 9:12 AM Bill Allombert wrote: > > Then I would suggest that a new lintian category is designed to catter > for such usage, so that tools might chose not to display such warnings > as they do with 'P: pedantic' currently. I am not sure that helps. The tag 'outdated-sta

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 08:10:57AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:57 AM Bill Allombert wrote: > > > > Is there some new external factor that make any unaddressed lintian > > warnings problematic ? > > That may go beyond the scope of the present discussion, but y

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:57 AM Bill Allombert wrote: > > Is there some new external factor that make any unaddressed lintian > warnings problematic ? That may go beyond the scope of the present discussion, but yes: First, Lintian packaging hints are always viewed as imperfections; contribu

Re: Bug#991533: lintian: please forget about required-field Standards-Version for udeb packages

2021-08-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 06:17:18PM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > Finally, please allow me to add some powerful statistics to the > record. The tag 'out-of-date-standards-version' currently occurs in > 10,813 source packages in the archive (out of about 33,000). [7] It is > an incident ratio of 33%.