Re: RFC: No new Essential packages?

2020-02-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Feb 02, 2020 at 01:31:14AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sat, Feb 01, 2020 at 11:59:34AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I've never liked the rule that you don't have to declare dependencies on > > essential packages and would love to phase it out as much as possible (I > > think even in

Re: RFC: No new Essential packages?

2020-02-01 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Feb 01, 2020 at 11:59:34AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > I've never liked the rule that you don't have to declare dependencies on > essential packages and would love to phase it out as much as possible (I > think even intermediate movement in that direction would be useful), but > I'd like G

Re: RFC: No new Essential packages?

2020-02-01 Thread Josh Triplett
Russ Allbery wrote: > I think Josh is arguing that ideally we'd slowly move towards declaring > dependencies on essential packages explicitly, so we should indicate that > in Policy and, as a first step, say that we're not adding any entirely new > functionality to the essential set if we can help

Re: RFC: No new Essential packages?

2020-02-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Ansgar writes: > Is the current wording in Policy not sufficient? In 3.8 Essential > packages it states "this flag must not be used unless absolutely > necessary" and later "You must not tag any packages essential before > this has been discussed on the debian-devel mailing list and a consensus

Bug#950440: debian-policy: Confusing conflation of Essential:yes w/ Priority:required

2020-02-01 Thread Guillem Jover
Package: debian-policy Version: 4.5.0.0 Severity: normal Hi! This was brought up on debian-devel, and I think it needs to be updated/corrected in the policy manual: On Fri, 2020-01-17 at 12:21:11 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Fri, 2020-01-17 at 11:12:50 +0100, Ansgar wrote: > > Johannes Schau