Bug#769219: function moved

2014-11-13 Thread David Bremner
Rob Browning writes: > Bill Allombert writes: > >> What to do for ascii : >> >> emacs24 --batch -Q -l ./README-css.el -l org -l org-ascii >> --visit Process.org --funcall org-export-as-ascii >> Attached is a better patch series that fixes the ascii export, and deals with all the (unused) TeX cr

Re: Bug#769273: bsdutils: Dependency on libsystemd0 violates policy

2014-11-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Tim Wootton writes: > My understanding was this is the correct approach unless doing so > breaches policy, which this (and apparently many others ) does. No, priorities for library packages are basically ignored. They've essentially never changed how we choose compilation options in the past.

Re: Bug#758234: transitive dependencies

2014-11-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon McVittie writes: > a better way to achieve the same result with fewer steps and more > automation would be: > * a cron job (jenkins.debian.net?) installs the required, important, > standard sets (which is something we probably want to test anyway) > * people who are interested in whether

Re: missing technical policy for systemd

2014-11-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 05:53:14AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Nov 01, Bill Allombert wrote: > > > Is there alternative documents describing the interfaces for packages to > > interoperate with systemd, and transition documents available for packagers > > and > > users that need to adapt to

Bug#758234: transitive dependencies

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Bill Allombert: > What I do not understand is, how this affect debootstrap ? > Debootstrap (by default) fetches everything-in-important, and then adds any un-satisfied dependencies which these packages need. Installation variants instead get everything-in-mandatory, plus e.g. apt and build-e

Re: Bug#758234: transitive dependencies

2014-11-13 Thread Simon McVittie
On 13/11/14 12:34, Bill Allombert wrote: > For me priority are purely metadata provided by the override file. > Policy does not require software to use them in anyway, I think. Policy does not require software to use them; but in practice, software does use them, and so changing a Priority has obs

Bug#758234: transitive dependencies

2014-11-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:24:32PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > [ re-post, signed ] > > I'd like to formally propose the following Policy change to fix the > "depend on packages with lower dependencies" non-problem. > > This does simplify current practice, but unfortunately not Policy itself,

Re: Bug#758234: transitive dependencies

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
[ re-post, signed ] I'd like to formally propose the following Policy change to fix the "depend on packages with lower dependencies" non-problem. This does simplify current practice, but unfortunately not Policy itself, as adhering to policy shouldn't allow you to break debootstrap. :-P This cha

Re: Bug#758234: transitive dependencies

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Simon McVittie: > On 13/11/14 09:59, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > I'd like to suggest the following Policy change to fix the "depend > > on packages with lower dependencies" non-problem. > > > > This does simplify current practice, but unfortunately not Policy > > itself, as adhering to policy

Re: Bug#758234: transitive dependencies

2014-11-13 Thread Simon McVittie
On 13/11/14 09:59, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > I'd like to suggest the following Policy change to fix the "depend > on packages with lower dependencies" non-problem. > > This does simplify current practice, but unfortunately not Policy > itself, as adhering to policy shouldn't allow you to break > d

Bug#758234: transitive dependencies

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Package: debian-policy Followup-For: Bug #758234 I'd like to suggest the following Policy change to fix the "depend on packages with lower dependencies" non-problem. This does simplify current practice, but unfortunately not Policy itself, as adhering to policy shouldn't allow you to break deboot

Re: Bug#769273: bsdutils: Dependency on libsystemd0 violates policy

2014-11-13 Thread Tim Wootton
On 13/11/14 03:29, Russ Allbery wrote: > Tim Wootton writes: > >> or just build without the dependency in the 1st place like it used to >> be. After all it's not like it adds anything that's essential. > No, including the dependency is the right approach and is consistent with > how Debian has alw

Re: Bug#769273: bsdutils: Dependency on libsystemd0 violates policy

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Tim Wootton: > or just build without the dependency in the 1st place like it used to be. > After all it's not like it adds anything that's essential. > Most dependencies don't add anything that's "essential" in the strict sense. The vast majority of uses of computers aren't essential either,