Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Steve Langasek wrote: > The installer team are consulted on the > question of which packages should be made available as udebs, but for shared > libraries the maintenance of the udeb definitely lies with the library > maintainer, not the installer team. So it makes pe

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: > I vote for just calling them "udebs" instead of "micro binary packages." > The latter sounds more formal, but I don't think anyone calls them that in > practice, so it may be confusing. Perhaps: > > udebs (stripped-down binary packages used by the Debian Installer) are >

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 08:35:36AM -0800, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Bill Allombert wrote: > > In that case there could be a udeb subpolicy document maintained by the > > d-i team that policy would refer to. > Yeah, that would be fine with me, even though I still don't see the > point. > Is there

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy writes: > How about the following change to the first paragraph of section 1.1 ? > This manual describes the policy requirements for the Debian > distribution. This includes the structure and > contents of the Debian archive and several design issues

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 08:35:36AM -0800, Jonathan Nieder a écrit : > > What I am concerned about is that the next release of policy should not > include wording that requires people to make a decision between ignoring what > policy says and filing RC bugs about, e.g., udebs not including changelo

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Russ Allbery (13/01/2013): > It makes sense to me to add such a statement now and then circle > back to possibly document the details of udebs (and, if so, remove > that statement) at a later date when the d-i team has more time. Definitely. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signa

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Nieder writes: > Yet I'm getting a lot of resistance to the suggestion. Why? What am I > missing? I think it's perfectly reasonble, even quite valuable, to include a clear statement in Policy that it doesn't cover udebs and they have their own guidelines. I didn't realize there was a

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 08:35:36AM -0800, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Bill Allombert wrote: > > > In that case there could be a udeb subpolicy document maintained by the > > d-i team that policy would refer to. > > Yeah, that would be fine with me, even though I still don't see the > point. > > Is

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Bill Allombert wrote: > In that case there could be a udeb subpolicy document maintained by the > d-i team that policy would refer to. Yeah, that would be fine with me, even though I still don't see the point. Is there a git subpolicy describing how git is packaged? A gnome subpolicy about gno

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:44:33AM -0800, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Charles Plessy wrote: > > > If you think that it is necessary to obtain the agreement of the d-i team to > > mention the udebs in #697433, please go ahead, but on my side, I do not > > think > > that there is a problem here. > >

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Plessy (13/01/2013): > I think that describing the udebs would fit with that goal. For the record: no objection. > This said, it can not be done without the active participation of > the d-i team, which I do not want to bother now. ACK. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Charles Plessy wrote: > If you think that it is necessary to obtain the agreement of the d-i team to > mention the udebs in #697433, please go ahead, but on my side, I do not think > that there is a problem here. I guess I'm completely failing to communicate. udebs are already documented very cl

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:13:04AM -0800, Jonathan Nieder a écrit : > > I don't think policy should define how udebs work. The entire > installer is maintained by the d-i team, and it seems best if they > have freedom to change how it works without changing any documentation > maintained by other

Bug#698030: debian-policy: document micro binary packages (udebs).

2013-01-13 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Charles Plessy wrote: > actually the only section of the Policy that currently contains the string > 'udeb' is 8.6.4.2 about the shlibs system (plus some occurences in > introductory > parts earlier in the chapter 8). No bug in our list mention "udeb" either. > > I therefore am filing this new b