Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Aurelien Jarno, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 19:16:40 +0200, a écrit : > On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 04:20:27PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : > > > There were no objections to having a UTF-8 locale installed and > > > available by default, just to it

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney writes: > Would a less confusing way to make this distinction be to say something > like: “The minimal Debian installation must have a locale available that > uses the UTF-8 character encoding.”? The other angle here is that it can't just be any UTF-8 locale, since that isn't very hel

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 04:20:27PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : > > On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:37:24AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > without any convergence. > > > > I think reading back through the entire log, > > Thanks for havi

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Samuel Thibault dixit: >believe that's something that shouldn't break Squeeze at all. I also believe it cannot possibly do that. bye, //mirabilos -- “It is inappropriate to require that a time represented as seconds since the Epoch precisely represent the number of seconds between the referen

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Samuel Thibault dixit: >LC_CTYPE has differences between locales, transliterations notably. For Oh, okay – good to know… >I'd say go on :) OK. >(of course we'll need to wait for libc to provide the locale >(post-squeeze I guess) before changing the policy). Sure. Maybe think of something to

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Ben Finney
Roger Leigh writes: > There were no objections to having a UTF-8 locale installed and > available by default, just to it *being* the default. […] Would a less confusing way to make this distinction be to say something like: “The minimal Debian installation must have a locale available that uses

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Roger Leigh, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 14:52:39 +0100, a écrit : > On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:37:24AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > without any convergence. > > I think reading back through the entire log, Thanks for having done it! > people who were initially > rather opposed to the proposal did c

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:37:24AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Russ Allbery, le Thu 02 Sep 2010 16:24:56 -0700, a écrit : > > Generally what that means is that someone needs to digest the discussion > > in the thread > > Well, it's mostly > > - some people saying "it's useless", > - while oth

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 15:26:47 +0200, a écrit : > BTW I think we should wait some more time. Last week I was on > debian-glibc list a bug: printf fails if it find an invalid UTF-8 > character (when the locale uses UTF-8). Note it is allowed in POSIX, > which distinguish raw stri

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Samuel Thibault
Thorsten Glaser, le Fri 03 Sep 2010 13:02:31 +, a écrit : > Russ Allbery dixit: > >I agree with others in this thread that having a UTF-8 locale without the > >collation changes implied by en_US is very useful for various software > >packages such as automated test suites that want reproducible

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 03.09.2010 01:46, Russ Allbery wrote: Samuel Thibault writes: Well, it's mostly - some people saying "it's useless", - while other people saying "I need it", and also - "en_US.UTF-8 is just fine" vs. - "en_US.UTF-8 sucks, we really need C.UTF-8 instead" without any convergence.

Bug#522776: debian-policy: mandate existence of a standardised UTF-8 locale

2010-09-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Russ Allbery dixit: >I agree with others in this thread that having a UTF-8 locale without the >collation changes implied by en_US is very useful for various software >packages such as automated test suites that want reproducible results and >were originally written for the C locale. Same for tes