Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 22:28, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > The point is, we have working "iconv", and > changing changelog will work. Yep, definitely. > man may need some hacking or other, I am not sure. I hear the other Colin is on the job :) > Not all of the statements made in that thread are not

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> > Sorry, we have to start somewhere. Unicode is the way of the future, > > and if we wait until every vendor of some random terminal updates it > > with support for UTF-8, we will never start. > > I don't disagree that we should move to Unicode. I disagree that such > a move must inherently

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> > But the current situation is *already* broken! For example, for a > > Chinese person, an ISO-8859-1 system simply cannot encode, nor display, > > their language. I am aware that for people entrenched in legacy > > charsets like ISO-8859-1, the transition may introduce > > incompatibilities.

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread starner
>Moreover, say the system administrator does something like 'find >/home'. The resulting stream will be a mixture of ISO-8859-X and BIG5, >and impossible to reliably differentiate. And? A POSIX filename is not a string of characters, it's a string of bytes. You have no technical need to differ

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread starner
>1) A multiuser machine, with users using different charsets. > Who decides which one is "local"? > >2) The sysamin/user changes the charset, e.g. from iso-8859-1 > to iso-8859-15 to get the Euro character. > How should the filenames stay in the local charset when > this changes? Would the

docs, docs, and more docs(names of packages and location of files)

2003-01-14 Thread Adam Heath
Today, I almost ran out of space on my /usr(2 gig partition). So, when trying to find things to remove, I turned my attention to /usr/share/doc(which contained 380 megs). In doing this, I found several packages that had large quantities of documentation in a non-doc type package. This meant that

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2003-01-14 Thread zhaoyan

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 02:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not acceptable. Filenames are and must be in the locale charset. > There is no other sane option [...] Heh. I will quote from a previous message of mine about filenames in the locale charset, which, since you joined the discussion later, y

Bug#176506: Make debconf mandatory for prompting the user

2003-01-14 Thread Roland Mas
Adrian Bunk (2003-01-13 12:00:31 +0100) : > I'm therefore suggesting that you change your policy to something like: > > <-- snip --> > > ... > 2.3.9.1. Prompting in maintainer scripts > > > Package maintainer scripts may prompt the user if necessary.

Re: Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello Lars, On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 12:30:28PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > ti, 14-01-2003 kello 10:23, Jochen Voss kirjoitti: > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:23:51AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Not acceptable. Filenames are and must be in the locale charset. There is > > > no other san

Re: Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 14-01-2003 kello 10:23, Jochen Voss kirjoitti: > On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:23:51AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Not acceptable. Filenames are and must be in the locale charset. There is > > no other sane option [...] > No, this does not work, too. Imagine two scenarios: 3) Floppies, C

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:23:51AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not acceptable. Filenames are and must be in the locale charset. There is > no other sane option [...] No, this does not work, too. Imagine two scenarios: 1) A multiuser machine, with users using different charsets. W

Bug#99933: second attempt at more comprehensive unicode policy

2003-01-14 Thread starner
>But what if the program *knows* the data is UTF-8 internally? Like all >GNOME programs do, and my patch for dpkg tries to do? Then it should be easy to convert it. You can't not convert and expect a reasonable response - among other things, innocent UTF-8 characters can include C1 bytes, and scr