Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes: > I've learned that too. They also don't read the documentation in > /usr/share/doc/. And really, how could they? My *laptop* has 884 packages installed. If I try "wc /usr/share/doc/*/README.Debian", that alone is: 4449 24692 168612 total To expect

Re: XF86 4.1 on potato

2001-11-17 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 08:01:29PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote: > Why is SPI so against frequent, less-dramatically-different releases, > anyway? Please help us if you care. http://qa.debian.org/ is a good place to start. > Note: I'm posting this to Debian-Policy as well as Debian-User, and > suggest

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes ("Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package"): > Constitution 6.3.5: [...] I have replied to Branden (CC the Committee list) separately. Please see my earlier comments about crossposting between debian-policy and debian-ctte. Thanks, I

Re: XF86 4.1 on potato

2001-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 08:01:29PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote: > Why is SPI so against frequent, less-dramatically-different releases, > anyway? SPI has absolutely nothing to do with Debian's release management practices. > Note: I'm posting this to Debian-Policy as well as Debian-User, and suggest

Re: XF86 4.1 on potato

2001-11-17 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 01:10:30PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > Which implies a kernel issue ... if that's the case, you can install > Adrian Bunk's 2.4 kernel packages for potato (URL in another recent > thread). Good deduction, but wrong. I did use Adrian Bunk's much-appreciated packages to

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 09:15:21PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Nonsense. The Technical Committee should make whatever specific or > general ruling it sees fit, according to the Constitution. Constitution 6.3.5: No detailed design work. The Technical Committee does not engage in design of ne

Technical Committee / Policy mailing list

2001-11-17 Thread Ian Jackson
I'd appreciate it if people wouldn't send messages which are copied to *both* the policy list and the technical committee. The committee's list is not a general discussion list, and needs to be kept low-volume enough that committee members can have it delivered into their normal mailboxes, rather

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-17 Thread Brian Mays
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course you realize that users do not, in general, read the extended > descriptions of packages. > > This isn't your fault, just a bitter lesson I've learned over the past > few years. I've learned that too. They also don't read the documentation i

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 12:24:20AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Why are ELF objects so special? Brian Mays and I have asked the Technical Committee for a ruling. It's good form to constrain the scope of that ruling as narrowly as is reasonable. > If we have a rule like this, why should it not apply

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 12:08:35PM -0500, Brian Mays wrote: > Of course, good documentation is probably the best way to handle all > of this. Adding a note in the description that xlibs is needed to run > cardinfo is probably the most useful thing that can be done for the > user. Of course you re

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-17 Thread Brian Mays
Sam Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be perfectly happy with a package that wanted some shared library > only recommending or suggesting that shared library, provided that a > wrapper script was included for the programs that did not function > without the shared library to provide a usefu

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-17 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Brian" == Brian Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brian> My argument is as follows: Brian> Programs fail to run for all sorts of reasons and often do Brian> not give friendly error messages, help text, etc. Problems Brian> are not only caused by missing libraries, but also

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a

2001-11-17 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> I'd much rather go with the maintainers' judgements than lintian's. seeing as lintian is a rather stupid perl script and the maintainer isn't this seems like a good bet (-:

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-17 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 09:09:28PM +0900, Taketoshi Sano wrote: > > 1) Ensure that no program is installed in a state in which it can fail > > due to missing components, whether they are shared libraries required > > by the program, missing data, or other programs that are used by the > > scripts o

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separate package

2001-11-17 Thread Taketoshi Sano
I prefer the 2nd position in the following issue. (BTW, I don't subscribe to debian-policy list currently, Just read this via newsgroup linux.debian.policy.) In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:10:11 +0100, on Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a separ

Re: Bug#119517: pcmcia-cs: cardinfo binary needs to move into a s eparate package

2001-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 12:24:20AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Branden Robinson wrote: > > I think both should be forbidden. > > ELF objects, minor or major, must declare shared library dependencies > > as Depends. > > ELF objects, minor or major, that link against non-free shared libraries > > must