Re: Moving to the FHS: not right now!

1999-08-18 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 04:25:48PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > First of all, I'm still not convinced that this is a technical issue, > as I mentioned in my objection to Manoj's proposal. The information > is just as available whether it's found in one location or two, so > I don't see any technica

Re: Moving to the FHS: not right now!

1999-08-18 Thread Chris Waters
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (3) The message from Wichert was incomplete -- the technical committee > does not do detailed design work. However, two people have stepped > up with proposals to address that lack. Briefly: Manoj Srivasta > has proposed a mechanism which would allow us

Away notice

1999-08-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, I am going to take some time off from the project. Recent developments in the real world have increased the time demands that I must face, as well as increasing the stress levels. At the same time, the current situations I am involved in in the project have ahd their share in

Re: What would the tree look like? (was Re: er)

1999-08-18 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote: > Why would we have architecture specific examples? The only reason I can > think of is to help specify a data format that differs across platforms > (example programs should be given in source). Think about things like example data files with endian issues. > But in this cas

Re: Moving to the FHS: not right now!

1999-08-18 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 02:28:36PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > Hello Technical Committee. > > This message from Wichert was posted nearly two weeks ago. Yes. > Which is the current state of things? (1) The technical committee does not have a chairman yet, so is not able to properly vote on an

Re: [PROPOSAL] Directories for local initialization scripts

1999-08-18 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Julio wrote: > > Add a directory /etc/init.local (or maybe /etc/init.d.local?) > > for locally installed init scripts, which can be handled by > > update-rc.d like the script in /etc/init.d. > >Okay, with this proposal I have less problems than with the initial > >one,

Bug#42634: PROPOSAL] Automatic migration to /usr/share/doc

1999-08-18 Thread Kristoffer . Rose
Ian proposes the following wrt /usr/doc vs /usr/share/doc: > * Any dpkg bug in this area be fixed. If I can figure out what people > claim the bug is I'll fix it. (I won't build an NMU, but we seem to > have no shortage of people willing to do dpkg NMUs.) The bug was explained to me in the seco

Re: Moving to the FHS: not right now!

1999-08-18 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Wichert Akkerman - Debian Project Leader wrote: > [...] > Luckily the constitution provides us with a way to solve this: the > Technical Committee can be asked to decide on a strategy which people > will have to follow. I hereby ask them to study this and come up with a > strat

Bug#42052: PROPOSAL] /var/mail and /var/spool/mail

1999-08-18 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Ian Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: > > To do this I suggest we ammend policy first by replacing all existing > > instances of /var/spool/mail with /var/mail and then changing the second > > paragraph of section 5.6 which currently reads > > I objec

Re: What would the tree look like? (was Re: er)

1999-08-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 12:53:34PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > How about this: > Any examples (configurations, source files, whatever), should be > installed in a directory /usr/share/doc//examples'. These > files should not be referenced by any program--they're there > for the benefi

Re: [PROPOSAL] Archive audit, cruft removal, unmaintained packages

1999-08-18 Thread Richard Braakman
Ben Collins wrote: > This group will go through the archive (either manually or using > internally created scripts) and generate detailed lists of dangling > source/packages and post them for removal via the BTS and/or direct email > to the archive maintainers. This is not necessary. We have such

Re: [PROPOSAL] Directories for local initialization scripts

1999-08-18 Thread Julio
At 10:22 AM 8/17/99 +0200, you wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Julio wrote: > >I don't see why there should be any discrimination of local init > >scripts, which only can be executed in rcS.d or after all other > >scripts. This is a restriction which isn't necessary and doesn't > >make sense. > I a

Re: core recovery tools, apt-get, and dpkg should be static

1999-08-18 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Steve Willer wrote: > >From a policy point of view, as far as I can tell, the bash failure is due > to a dpkg bug, isn't it? I'm not completely sure if it's readline or bash > that got removed, but my reading of the "Essential packages" section tells It's a strange APT featu

Re: core recovery tools, apt-get, and dpkg should be static

1999-08-18 Thread Steve Willer
On 17 Aug 1999, Chris Waters wrote: > > But I think it's reasonable to change the behavior on new systems as > > long as that change is well documented. > > I think people will find it confusing if Debian is the only distro > that doesn't have bash as /bin/sh by default, and so I'd *rather* keep

Re: /usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc transition, debate reopened

1999-08-18 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Ian Jackson wrote: > I'm not sure yet what the test cases people are presenting are. dpkg > is not supposed ever to remove a nonempty directory and replace it > with a symlink to a different directory. If someone can reproduce it > doing this I'd be very interested. One (t

Re: core recovery tools, apt-get, and dpkg should be static

1999-08-18 Thread Chris Waters
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 01:44:00PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > *compliance* is a big issue to me, but I'd be open to allowing the use > > of ash as /bin/sh *as an option*. Oh wait, it already is! :-) > No it's not. Every bash upgrade blows it away w

Re: core recovery tools, apt-get, and dpkg should be static

1999-08-18 Thread Chris Waters
Justin Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am not concerned with full POSIX complience for /bin/sh Well, I am. Why are your concerns more important than mine? > ash has a long history as a /bin/sh shell, since all the *BSD unixes > use it as /bin/sh. I don't consider the BSD's to be a good

Re: core recovery tools, apt-get, and dpkg should be static

1999-08-18 Thread Chris Waters
Justin Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well Chris you obviously only run desktop systems [...] Sheesh, talk about missing the point *completely*! No, I've been known to run systems remotely. And I usually try to install sash on systems where I may *need* to do remote repairs. That doesn't