Re: More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

1999-07-07 Thread Joey Hess
Joel Klecker wrote: > man-db has supported the FHS paths for months. From the changelog: Yes, but we have other man browsers. -- see shy jo

Re: More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

1999-07-07 Thread Joey Hess
Joseph Carter wrote: > Um. Given glibc2.1 it would be Very Unsmart to try to use potato packages > on a slink system. Arch: all > I don't know who came up with the idea of partial > upgradability Partial upgradability has been something debian has always managed. Every single person who tracks

Re: Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Richard Braakman
Ron wrote: > What I had hoped I could do in this case would be simply to remount > the /usr/doc partition as /usr/share/doc and then symlink /usr/doc > to it.. however it was previously indicated that this might cause > problems with dpkg.. The best thing to do is probably to make sure that /usr/

Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 05:38:04PM +0200, Santiago Vila écrivait: > We could have some sort of FHS-threshold for the release: > > "We will not release until 90% of all priority >= standard packages are > converted to use /usr/share/doc" or else "we will not release until 80% of > the 300 most popu

Re: Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Ron
> It would help because /usr/doc could become almost empty *for a typical > system*. (Not if you install the 2500+ packages, of course). ..actually this is almost exactly the *problem* that this change is going to cause one of my debian boxes. I have a box that uses several smallish drives.. so

Re: More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

1999-07-07 Thread Joel Klecker
At 10:33 -0700 1999-07-07, Joey Hess wrote: What is it? I'd love to make debhelper start using that directory by default. man-db has supported the FHS paths for months. From the changelog: * FHS compliance: - add /usr/share/man in /etc/manpath.conf - move /var/catman to /var/cache/m

Re: More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

1999-07-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 11:05:55AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Joseph Carter wrote: > > > What is it? I'd love to make debhelper start using that directory by > > > default. (And BTW, is /usr/share/X11R6/man supposed to be used for X man > > > pages?) > > > > No, /usr/X11R6/man should remain /usr/X1

Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Joey Hess
Santiago Vila wrote: > For people not using helper tools (there are many of them), this means > *double* work for every package, because you have first to provide > symlinks and then you have to remove them. It can be pretty easy to do. Make an update-doc-symlinks script, that takes a single (add/

Re: More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

1999-07-07 Thread Joey Hess
Joseph Carter wrote: > > What is it? I'd love to make debhelper start using that directory by > > default. (And BTW, is /usr/share/X11R6/man supposed to be used for X man > > pages?) > > No, /usr/X11R6/man should remain /usr/X11R6/man---it's part of the whole > /usr/X11R6-is-left-alone-for-now-at-

PROPOSAL: changelog.html.gz sanitization

1999-07-07 Thread Joey Hess
Package: debian-policy Severity: wishlist Policy currently says that: If the upstream changelog file is text formatted, it must be accessible as `/usr/doc//changelog.gz'. If the upstream changelog file is HTML formatted, it must be accessible as `/usr/doc//changelog.html.gz'. This went in

Re: More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

1999-07-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 10:33:10AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Joseph Carter wrote: > > In the case of /usr/share/man, we have already a sane transition. It's > > already in use by a number of packages. > > What is it? I'd love to make debhelper start using that directory by > default. (And BTW, is

installless debs

1999-07-07 Thread Darren O. Benham
Has anyone tried to package something that doesn't really get installed? What I mean... I've got a few wcripts I use to generate email responses from CVS when something gets checked in. This would be, I think, neat to offer to others but since the scripts get put into CVSROOT replacing some of th

Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > However, if we convert 90%, 80% or just 20% of them (if the most > popular ones are included in that 20%), then it would not be such a > disaster, IMHO. IMHO only 0% or 100% aren't a disaster. Everything else is annoying, at least for me as a user. But

Re: More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

1999-07-07 Thread Joey Hess
Joseph Carter wrote: > In the case of /usr/share/man, we have already a sane transition. It's > already in use by a number of packages. What is it? I'd love to make debhelper start using that directory by default. (And BTW, is /usr/share/X11R6/man supposed to be used for X man pages?) > Did we c

More FHS discussion (Was: Uploaded debhelper 2.0.09 (source all) to master)

1999-07-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 04:59:39PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Changes: > debhelper (2.0.09) unstable; urgency=low > . >* dh_compress: added some FHS support. Though debhelper doesn't put >stuff there (and won't until people come up with a general transition >strategy or decide

Re: Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Joey Hess
Norbert Nemec wrote: > Ok, but the problem I see, is that you are forced to answer all the > questions right there in the middle of the installation. If you don't want > to (or can't) decide right there, there is oten no possibility to put it up > for later. If you make a mistake, it is often not t

Re: Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Joey Hess
Norbert Nemec wrote: > IMO, packages should under no circumstances complain > about anything if it is avoidable at all. No matter if there is a automatic > configuration system or not. We should simply make it policy that a package > should always install to some safe state without asking any quest

Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jul 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > With this we have the following four stages: > > > For people not using helper tools (there are many of them), this > > means *double* work for every package, because you have first to > > provide sym

Re: Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Norbert Nemec
On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 03:46:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 08:03:19AM +, Norbert Nemec wrote: > > I do not talk about where packages should get their configuration > > information from, I did talk about what they do, if they do not have the > > information necessar

Re: Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Norbert Nemec
On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 11:42:16AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > There are reasonable defaults for all these things, and they can all > > be fixed after install. But it seems to me that the possibility of > > having your system suddenly get trashed for no apparent reason makes > > the nagging

Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > > With this we have the following four stages: > For people not using helper tools (there are many of them), this > means *double* work for every package, because you have first to > provide symlinks and then you have to remove them. > > I do not think

Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: > With this we have the following four stages: > > [snipped] For people not using helper tools (there are many of them), this means *double* work for every package, because you have first to provide symlinks and then you have to remove them. I do not

Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Tue, 06 Jul 1999, Steve Greenland wrote: > > I would prefer a way using postinst or dpkg to provide the > > symlinks to be able to remove them at some point in the future > > without uploading all packages (with the symlink removed) again. > > But at the moment I don't fully know how to do thi

Re: Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Anthony Towns writes: > As an example, what would happen to netbase's postinst questions and > comments? It currently warns about stopping the portmapper (and thus > possibly doing horrible things to any rpc processes, such as NFS), it > asks if you want to add some IPv6 entries to /etc/hostsc (

Re: Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Norbert Nemec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I do not talk about where packages should get their configuration > information from, I did talk about what they do, if they do not have the > information necessary. (And even with he perfect autoconfig system, there > will be stuations when the packages

Re: Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Falk Hueffner
Anthony Towns writes: > [1 ] > On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 08:03:19AM +, Norbert Nemec wrote: > > IMO, packages should under no circumstances complain > > about anything if it is avoidable at all. > > As an example, what would happen to netbase's postinst questions and > comments? It currently

Re: Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 08:03:19AM +, Norbert Nemec wrote: > I do not talk about where packages should get their configuration > information from, I did talk about what they do, if they do not have the > information necessary. (And even with he perfect autoconfig system, there > will be stuatio

Clarification: Eliminate nagging at installation time?

1999-07-07 Thread Norbert Nemec
Ok, thanks for your reactions. I know, guys like me can get on ones nerves... :-) I'm moving this thread to debian-policy, where I should have started it rigth at the beginning. Please reply there. I knew there would be people working on that problem, but actually, my idea goes into some complete

Bug#40706: usr/share/doc vs. /usr/doc

1999-07-07 Thread Steve Greenland
On 05-Jul-99, 15:23 (CDT), Roland Rosenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Presumed that _all_ packages for _all_ architectures are FHS compliant > at the moment we release 2.2. I fear, that this isn't possible if we > want to release potato in the next half year. > > [and] > > I would prefer