Bug#37364: marked as done (software depending on non-US (was: Re: Hey! Why does everybody love flaming so much? [was: `pure']))

1999-05-12 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Patented software == non-free?

1999-05-12 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 01:01:59PM -0600, Richard Stallman wrote: > Encumbered in which country? In many countries (including the one > where non-us.debian.org resides) software patents are not accepted. > > Which country is that? If it is in Europe, I am afraid > the situation may be abo

Re: [PROPOSAL] Patented software == non-free?

1999-05-12 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 13:01:59 -0600, Richard Stallman wrote: > Encumbered in which country? In many countries (including the one > where non-us.debian.org resides) software patents are not accepted. > > Which country is that? The Netherlands. > If it is in Europe, I am afraid the situ

Re: [PROPOSAL] Patented software == non-free?

1999-05-12 Thread Richard Stallman
Encumbered in which country? In many countries (including the one where non-us.debian.org resides) software patents are not accepted. Which country is that? If it is in Europe, I am afraid the situation may be about to change. I'd like to know RMS' opinion on the issue: why should I

Re: [SUMMARY] packages useless without non-free servers? (Was: a giant flamewar that's gotten hot as hell itself!)

1999-05-12 Thread Rob Tillotson
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I generally believe this is the same as the system BIOS and these things > should probably be allowed into main if they are otherwise free. An > example of the kind of thing coming to mind would be a SDK for a system > that runs on Linux and then the emu

Re: utmp group proposal

1999-05-12 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Zack Weinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Joel Klecker wrote: >>The main problem is that 2.0 kernels do not support sigaltstack(), >>this causes such things as m4 to fail when run on a Linux 2.0 system >>if it was compiled on a glibc 2.1 system using 2.2 kernel he

Re: utmp group proposal

1999-05-12 Thread Zack Weinberg
Joel Klecker wrote: >At 19:15 -0400 1999-05-09, Michael Stone wrote: >>On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 04:03:01PM -0700, Guy Maor wrote: >>> Because it requires glibc 2.1 and kernel 2.2. >> >>Which reminds me, we should probably make it clear that 2.0 kernels will >>not work properly with potato if we do

Re: New non-us and main, and RSA

1999-05-12 Thread Charles C. Fu
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And it is currently not legal to use RSA without RSAREF in the US. Just a slight correction: my understanding is that to use these algorithms in the US, you must use RSAREF, get an appropriate license from RSA (generally by purchasing one of their crypto

Re: New non-us and main, and RSA

1999-05-12 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 02:13:04 -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > It's possible because software patents are illegal where pandora is. Do we have conclusive evidence of that? I happen to live where pandora is, and AFAIK it may not be possible to get an algorithm patented here, but it may well be that

Re: [SUMMARY] packages useless without non-free servers? (Was: a giant flamewar that's gotten hot as hell itself!)

1999-05-12 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 06:26:11PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: > Richard> I think that the best basic policy is that a package can > Richard> go in `main' if it doesn't require any non-free software > Richard> *on your machine*. Making use of non-free software on > Richard> anothe

Re: New non-us and main, and RSA

1999-05-12 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 11:21:28PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > I was just taking a bit of a look around the new non-us trying to figure > out what our stance was on things like IDEA and RSA and unfortunately > can't figure it out. :| (BTW the dns has been swtiched over.. email > [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: New non-us and main, and RSA

1999-05-12 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 23:21:28 -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > It seems from what I have heard that we consider IDEA and RSA to be > non-free due to the patents on them in various countries and this is why > we have the gpg-rsa and gpg-idea modules in non-free. However we also have > libssl, open

New non-us and main, and RSA

1999-05-12 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
[follow ups to -policy] I was just taking a bit of a look around the new non-us trying to figure out what our stance was on things like IDEA and RSA and unfortunately can't figure it out. :| (BTW the dns has been swtiched over.. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] if there are issues) It seems from what I h

Re: [SUMMARY] packages useless without non-free servers? (Was: a giant flamewar that's gotten hot as hell itself!)

1999-05-12 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 07:04:57PM -0600, Richard Stallman wrote: > deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable main > > I would be happy with that. * knghtbrd is counting seconds until pandora with reorganized non-US becomes

Re: [SUMMARY] packages useless without non-free servers? (Was: a giant flamewar that's gotten hot as hell itself!)

1999-05-12 Thread Ben Gertzfield
> "Richard" == Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Richard> I think that the best basic policy is that a package can Richard> go in `main' if it doesn't require any non-free software Richard> *on your machine*. Making use of non-free software on Richard> another machi

Re: [SUMMARY] packages useless without non-free servers? (Was: a giant flamewar that's gotten hot as hell itself!)

1999-05-12 Thread Richard Stallman
I think that the best basic policy is that a package can go in `main' if it doesn't require any non-free software *on your machine*. Making use of non-free software on another machine is unfortunate but does not put you in the same moral dilemma as having it on your own machine. But there could be

Re: [SUMMARY] packages useless without non-free servers? (Was: a giant flamewar that's gotten hot as hell itself!)

1999-05-12 Thread Richard Stallman
I can also support having apt's sources.list be something like this: # Something about this being sources.list and pointin you at # sources.list(5) for info on its format # # The general outline of an entry for http: # deb http://your.server/mirror release dist di