Re: dropping dependencies for a package

2007-01-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Sat, 2006-12-30 at 10:17 -0600, Carlo Segre wrote: > Hello All: > > If a new version of a package drops a dependency on a previously required > package, should an install-time reminder be given to the user? I don't > really want to add debconf clutter for such a trivial matter but it is > p

Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Hi, After watching debian-mentors@ for a some time, I've found two types of suggestions frequenly advised to the packagers: * Removing empty lines from the end of debian/copyright, debian/changelog * Using two spaces before 'Homepage:' field in package description. Do they look like candidate

RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Hi, I am looking for a sponsor for my package "python-pytils". * Package name: pytils Version : 0.3 Upstream Author : Pythy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://gorod-omsk.ru/blog/pythy/projects/pytils/ * License : GPL Section : pyhton It builds single

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-01-01 14:13]: > After watching debian-mentors@ for a some time, I've found two types > of suggestions frequenly advised to the packagers: > > * Removing empty lines from the end of debian/copyright, > debian/changelog > > * Using two spaces before

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > http://dottedmag.net/debian/python-pytils/python-pytils_0.2.0-1.dsc * should: please use the common format for the copyright file, look at e.g. libextractor if unsure. include also the full gpl blurb. * must: your package is arch all, hence you should have all the

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:01:47 +0600 Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > After watching debian-mentors@ for a some time, I've found two types > of suggestions frequenly advised to the packagers: > > * Removing empty lines from the end of debian/copyright, > debian/changelog > > *

Re: RFS: serf -- high-performance asynchronous HTTP client library

2007-01-01 Thread Kobayashi Noritada
Hi, Sorry for my late reply. I was out and offline for a few days... Daniel Baumann wrote: > > http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/serf/serf_0.1.0-1~pre.1.dsc > > * should: remove the useless empty line at the end of changelog. > * must: use 0.1.0-1 for the next upload to mentors.

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2007-01-01, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess not since this is not defined in the policy. Maybe=20 > if Homepage becomes a real control field. with two spaces it is formatted on the web like this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/yakuake with one space like this: http://p

Re: RFS: serf -- high-performance asynchronous HTTP client library

2007-01-01 Thread Kobayashi Noritada
Hi, Andrea Bolognani wrote: > > - dget > > http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/serf/serf_0.1.0-1~pre.1.dsc > > I guess you meant > http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/serf/serf_0.1.0-1~pre.2.dsc Yeah, right. Thank you for pointing out! I reuploaded a newer version just before

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Sune Vuorela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-01-01 15:04]: > On 2007-01-01, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess not since this is not defined in the policy. Maybe=20 > > if Homepage becomes a real control field. > > with two spaces it is formatted on the web like this: > http://packa

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Neil Williams wrote: > Daniel: would you agree? Let's get this once and for all clear: Given that lintian, as any automatic tool, can not catch all flaws in every case, manuall listing of the remaining flaws is always needed, I don't really care about if I need to point these flaws out in additio

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Paul Cager
> Hi, > * Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-01-01 14:13]: >> After watching debian-mentors@ for a some time, I've found two types >> of suggestions frequenly advised to the packagers: >> >> * Removing empty lines from the end of debian/copyright, >> debian/changelog >> >> * Using two spac

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-01-01 14:13]: [...] > The upload would fix the bug 405175 > > The package can be found here: > - URL: http://dottedmag.net/debian/python-pytils/ > - dget http://dottedmag.net/debian/python-pytils/python-pytils_0.2.0-1.dsc I would suggest to rework

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 16:01:32 01.01.2007 UTC+01 when Nico Golde did gyre and gimble: NG> I would suggest to rework the copyright it looks a bit=20 strange NG> even if all needed information is included. What about the NG> copyright year, the upstream files are from=20 October 2006 but NG> Copyrig

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > Ugh, my fault. I just provided copyright year of my debian > work. Anyway I contacted the author and he promised to fix copyright > statements in source code (add copyright years, use standard GPL > header as FSF wants) in the next minor version, so I will postpone > packag

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Paul Cager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-01-01 16:13]: > > Hi, > > * Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-01-01 14:13]: > >> After watching debian-mentors@ for a some time, I've found two types > >> of suggestions frequenly advised to the packagers: > >> > >> * Removing empty lines from the

Re: RFS: serf -- high-performance asynchronous HTTP client library

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Kobayashi Noritada wrote: > Sorry for my late reply. I was out and offline for a few days... no problem. > Thank you very much for reviewing my package. I've uploaded a fixed > version per your comments. welcome :) > Could you please upload it? done. if you want/need further sponsoring, con

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 14:32:00 01.01.2007 UTC+01 when Daniel Baumann did gyre and gimble: DB> * should: please use the common format for the copyright file, DB> look at e.g. libextractor if unsure. fixed. DB> include also the full gpl blurb. Will do when author releases 0.2.1 with copyright year

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > DB> include also the full gpl blurb. > > Will do when author releases 0.2.1 with copyright years added to the > source files. i don't understand why you have to wait for upstream, *how* you write things in debian/copyright is not determined by upstream, only *what* you w

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 17:02:02 01.01.2007 UTC+01 when Daniel Baumann did gyre and gimble: DB> i don't understand why you have to wait for upstream, *how* you DB> write things in debian/copyright is not determined by upstream, DB> only *what* you write. Normal GPL blurb includes copyright years, wh

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Florent Rougon
"Paul Cager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The policy *does* distinguish between lines starting with one space > (paragraphs with word-wrapping) and lines starting with two or more spaces > (non-wrapped if panning is possible, otherwise hard-wrapped), so I think > there is a strong policy basis for

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 17:02:02 01.01.2007 UTC+01 when Daniel Baumann did gyre and gimble: DB> e.g. here, it is necessary that you list the sources as GPL2 DB> licensed, but you can use the normal gpl blurb for that, and not DB> require the 'custom' gpl blurb from upstream. they are saying the DB>

RFS: libitpp

2007-01-01 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear mentors, I am looking for a sponsor for my package "libitpp". * Package name: libitpp Version : 3.10.7 Upstream Author : Tony Ottosson, Adam Piatyszek * URL : http://itpp.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Section : libs It

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > wrt/ lintian, as long as the packages do work, the purely optional > matter of style questions[0] should never be part of any lintian check > (lintian shall only check for policy violations or general package > breakages). That is why I never would have

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2007-01-01, Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I guess not since this is not defined in the policy. Maybe=20 >> if Homepage becomes a real control field. >> > > with two spaces it is formatted on the web like this: > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/y

Re: RFS: libitpp

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Kumar Appaiah wrote: > http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libitpp/libitpp_3.10.7-1.dsc * remove the useless empty line at the end of changelog. * i just saw you uploaded revison -2. revert the revision to -1 again, the bump is useless when the previous revision wasn't uploaded t

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Russ Allbery wrote: > In other words, feel free to submit a wishlist lintian bug for things like > this. I'm going to pull up all of those once the style check facility is > available. cool, didn't know about that intention. thanks for telling. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrass

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > This eleminates .pyc's in the destdir, but does not eleminate .pyc's > created in pytils/ which are created as a side-effect of importing > pytils in the setup.py itself. Just compare: [...] I think we have a missunderstanding here, I'm speaking of this: ---snip--- @@ -3

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > After some thinking I pasted normal GPL blurb, just without years in > '(C) line'. good. > Updated package is at > http://dottedmag.net/debian/python-pytils/python-pytils_0.2.0-1.dsc except from the suggestion to simplify the rules file in the other mail, the package is

Re: Problems when I use debhelper compatibility level 5

2007-01-01 Thread Hubert Chan
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:09:13 -0400, "Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I thought it, indeed, you're right. But libCEGUI*.a are the static > link files, so my questions are: will the package work properly > without static link files? Why aren't they being created? Is i

Re: Problems when I use debhelper compatibility level 5

2007-01-01 Thread Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez
On 1/1/07, Hubert Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:09:13 -0400, "Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I thought it, indeed, you're right. But libCEGUI*.a are the static > link files, so my questions are: will the package work properly > without st

Re: RFS: libitpp

2007-01-01 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On 02/01/07, Daniel Baumann wrote: Kumar Appaiah wrote: > http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libitpp/libitpp_3.10.7-1.dsc Please find the new files here; I am having problems with Debian Mentors: http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~ee03b091/Upload/libitpp_3.10.7-1.dsc http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/

Re: RFS: libitpp

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Kumar Appaiah wrote: > Please check that things are fine. done, uploaded. if you want/need further sponsoring, contact me off-list: http://people.debian.org/~daniel/documents/sponsoring.html#contact -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL P

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 01:52 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:20:56 +1100, Robert Collins > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > The basic problem is that presence of a kernel package does not > > imply presence of the desired patch/enabled feature in that package, > > nor that

Re: RFS: cegui-mk2 (updated package)

2007-01-01 Thread Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez
On 12/28/06, Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez wrote: > I took a look on the sourceforge.net web page for cegui project [0] > and you're right. > cegui is licensed under GNU Library or Lesser General Public License > (LGPL) and MIT License and also I watc

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:33:34PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > Its not -required- that any of the software on a machine be packaged. > Users can (gasp) build and run their own $software - e.g. squid, apache, > whatever. > > But - we cannot expect the packaging system to ensure that requireme

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 21:38 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:33:34PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > Its not -required- that any of the software on a machine be packaged. > > Users can (gasp) build and run their own $software - e.g. squid, apache, > > whatever. >

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:48:57PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > > Yes. But enough people build non-packaged kernels that it is not really > > fair to exclude them. Add to that the fact that the presence of a > > particular kernel image package in no way guarantees that it is that > > par

Re: RFS: cegui-mk2 (updated package)

2007-01-01 Thread Daniel Baumann
Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez wrote: > The corrected package. > > The package can be found on mentors.debian.net: > - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/cegui-mk2 > - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable > main contrib non-free > - dget > http://m

Re: RFS: cegui-mk2 (updated package)

2007-01-01 Thread Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez
On 1/1/07, Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Muammar Wadih El Khatib Rodriguez wrote: > The corrected package. > > The package can be found on mentors.debian.net: > - URL: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/cegui-mk2 > - Source repository: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debia

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 21:51 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:48:57PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > > > > Yes. But enough people build non-packaged kernels that it is not really > > > fair to exclude them. Add to that the fact that the presence of a > > > parti

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 02:05:01PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > I think you are arguing around the issue. An example may help. Consider > an application that needs 'libhello' built with ssl support. i.e. > Depends: libhello-ssl0 > > That installs /usr/lib/libhello.so > > Now, if I fiddle wit

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 22:15 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > Right. But depending on a particular kernel image is an artificial > limitation. If I roll my own kernel without using Debian tools (which > is a fairly common practice), why should I have to work around your > package's dependenci

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 02:24:13PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > Because the vast bulk of users do *not* roll their own kernels [yes, an > assumption, but I'm pretty confident here :)]. > I disagree. I think that while it is not the majority, a sizeable portion of the user base installs a hom

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:32:21PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 02:24:13PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: > > > > Because the vast bulk of users do *not* roll their own kernels [yes, an > > assumption, but I'm pretty confident here :)]. > > > I disagree. I think that

Re: Bad practice to make a package depend on a specific kernel image

2007-01-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 02:59:30PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 10:32:21PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > > > I disagree. I think that while it is not the majority, a sizeable > > portion of the user base installs a home-rolled kernel. > > Could you stop that ha

Re: RFS: python-pytils

2007-01-01 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 23:31:50 01.01.2007 UTC+01 when Daniel Baumann did gyre and gimble: DB> This change simplifies the rules file, makes the build a bit DB> faster, and does not have any influence on the binary packages. Ah, this makes much more sense :) Thanks for hint, applied and uploaded to h

Re: Recurring "please do" patterns in debian-mentors

2007-01-01 Thread Joe Smith
"Russ Allbery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: wrt/ lintian, as long as the packages do work, the purely optional matter of style questions[0] should never be part of any lintian check (lintian shall only check for policy