Re: unsubscribe

2003-03-21 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
___ / Duane Cone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I have done this 10 times >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe you can try to send the mail to [EMAIL

Re: pgp 2.6.3i vs pgp5i vs gnupgp

2003-03-21 Thread Roland Mas
Kevin Rosenberg (2003-03-20 12:40:17 -0700) : > Roland Mas wrote: >> It works flawlessly, and it allows me to have my GnuPG private >> key on exactly zero machine, only on this USB key thing (don't >> worry, I also have backups). I have recently added SSH to the same >> scheme. Protects me fro

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Thursday 20 March 2003 21:30, Barry deFreese wrote: > > Thank you for the advice it is much appreciated. I should have gone a > little futher in my background. I have done quite a bit of > "programming". I learned FORTRAN/77, Basic on VMS, and Cobol on VMS in > college. I have written in VB,

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:30:49PM -0800, Barry deFreese wrote: > Thank you for the advice it is much appreciated. I should have gone a > little futher in my background. I have done quite a bit of > "programming". I learned FORTRAN/77, Basic on VMS, and Cobol on VMS in > college. I have writ

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030320T214958-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > I highly recommend putting aside the IP-address-configuration stuff for > the moment and consider becoming a better programmer computer-science > wise. Get your principles down; that's more important. If you want to > move beyond simple stuff you h

RE: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Brooks R. Robinson
| >The first is looking to other people for problems to be solved. You'll | >never find the inspiration in solving problems that don't affect you. | >Since you don't feel the itch, you don't get much satisfaction from the | >scratch. Greetings, I agree whole-heartedly. Find a program/pa

May I temporarily move away a conffile of a conflicting package?

2003-03-21 Thread Andreas Metzler
Hello, For a complete discusssion see http://bugs.debian.org/183357 Currently the exim4-packages cannot provide /usr/sbin/exim (only /usr/sbin/exim4) because exim v3's init script up to version 3.36-4 uses something aequivalent to this to check whether it should do anything: [ -x /usr/sbin/exim ]

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread David Roundy
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:30:49PM -0800, Barry deFreese wrote: > > I will definetely check into the books and such you have suggested. > However, two of my fundamental problems are thus: I don't learn a great > deal from reading unfortunately. I am pretty much a hands on guy with a > background i

out-of-date-standards-version 3.5.6

2003-03-21 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
I'm not Debian developer but I maintain few packages outside. Main package is rox (ROX-Filer). Some time ago new version (3.5.9) of Debian policy came out and version 3.5.6 is marked as 'out of date'. After checking upgrading-checklist.txt I don't know clearly if I can bump it or not - can some

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Matthew Danish
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 03:21:35PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On 20030320T214958-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > > I highly recommend putting aside the IP-address-configuration stuff for > > the moment and consider becoming a better programmer computer-science > > wise. Get your principl

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030321T123756-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > Neither of the programming books I recommended restrict themselves to > the theory. Reading books is theory, regardless of what they cover. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% Taiteellisen ohjelmoinni

RE: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread deFreese, Barry
> -Original Message- > From: Sven Luther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:18 AM > To: Barry deFreese > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:30:49PM -0800, Barry deFreese wrote: > > T

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On 20030321T123756-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > >>Neither of the programming books I recommended restrict themselves to >>the theory. > Reading books is theory, regardless of what they cover. Reading man pages, too, unless you want to practice using man. In my lim

RE: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread deFreese, Barry
> -Original Message- > From: Thomas Viehmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:06 AM > To: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho > Cc: debian-mentors > Subject: Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration > > In my limited experience, most people that fail or perform > po

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Matthew Danish
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 08:14:26PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On 20030321T123756-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > > Neither of the programming books I recommended restrict themselves to > > the theory. > > Reading books is theory, regardless of what they cover. Indeed, I am recommending

Re: General programming questions list?

2003-03-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 03:41:11PM -0600, Drew Scott Daniels wrote: > Where should I post general programming questions? What are some good > (interactive) resources? I'm still reading the required and suggested new > maintainer's documentation, so forgive me if it's pointed out somewhere. I apol

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Thomas Viehmann
> I notice that many of you have mentioned Knuth. Are all of you talking > specifically about "The Art of Computer Programming" volumes? Yes. It's the classic on algorithms. However, recall Mark Twain's definition of a classic: A classic is something that everyone wants to have read and nobody wa

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Jim Penny
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 02:23:30PM -0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 08:14:26PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > On 20030321T123756-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > > > Neither of the programming books I recommended restrict themselves to > > > the theory. > > > > Reading

Re: joining Debian / packaging buildd

2003-03-21 Thread Roger Leigh
Jeremy Lainé <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You might be interested in > > http://www.whinlatter.uklinux.net/buildd/ > > Definitely, I'm looking through it right now. > > > You should probably subscribe to buildd-discuss at nocrew.org. > > Done, and browsing through the archives I see I'm goin

Question about ITP and where to go first

2003-03-21 Thread Morgon Kanter
Hello, I have been working on packaging libgdsl (the general data structures library), and am almost finished packaging it, and I have permission from its author. I'm unsure exactly what to do next, however, because it is unclear. Am I supposed to file an ITP bug against WNPP? Or should I find

RE: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread deFreese, Barry
> -Original Message- > From: Thomas Viehmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:16 PM > To: deFreese, Barry > Cc: debian-mentors > Subject: Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration > > > > I notice that many of you have mentioned Knuth. Are all of > you

Re: unsubscribe

2003-03-21 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
___ / Duane Cone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I have done this 10 times >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe you can try to send the mail to [EMAIL

Re: pgp 2.6.3i vs pgp5i vs gnupgp

2003-03-21 Thread Roland Mas
Kevin Rosenberg (2003-03-20 12:40:17 -0700) : > Roland Mas wrote: >> It works flawlessly, and it allows me to have my GnuPG private >> key on exactly zero machine, only on this USB key thing (don't >> worry, I also have backups). I have recently added SSH to the same >> scheme. Protects me fro

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Thursday 20 March 2003 21:30, Barry deFreese wrote: > > Thank you for the advice it is much appreciated. I should have gone a > little futher in my background. I have done quite a bit of > "programming". I learned FORTRAN/77, Basic on VMS, and Cobol on VMS in > college. I have written in VB,

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:30:49PM -0800, Barry deFreese wrote: > Thank you for the advice it is much appreciated. I should have gone a > little futher in my background. I have done quite a bit of > "programming". I learned FORTRAN/77, Basic on VMS, and Cobol on VMS in > college. I have writ

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030320T214958-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > I highly recommend putting aside the IP-address-configuration stuff for > the moment and consider becoming a better programmer computer-science > wise. Get your principles down; that's more important. If you want to > move beyond simple stuff you h

RE: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Brooks R. Robinson
| >The first is looking to other people for problems to be solved. You'll | >never find the inspiration in solving problems that don't affect you. | >Since you don't feel the itch, you don't get much satisfaction from the | >scratch. Greetings, I agree whole-heartedly. Find a program/pa

May I temporarily move away a conffile of a conflicting package?

2003-03-21 Thread Andreas Metzler
Hello, For a complete discusssion see http://bugs.debian.org/183357 Currently the exim4-packages cannot provide /usr/sbin/exim (only /usr/sbin/exim4) because exim v3's init script up to version 3.36-4 uses something aequivalent to this to check whether it should do anything: [ -x /usr/sbin/exim ]

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread David Roundy
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:30:49PM -0800, Barry deFreese wrote: > > I will definetely check into the books and such you have suggested. > However, two of my fundamental problems are thus: I don't learn a great > deal from reading unfortunately. I am pretty much a hands on guy with a > background i

out-of-date-standards-version 3.5.6

2003-03-21 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
I'm not Debian developer but I maintain few packages outside. Main package is rox (ROX-Filer). Some time ago new version (3.5.9) of Debian policy came out and version 3.5.6 is marked as 'out of date'. After checking upgrading-checklist.txt I don't know clearly if I can bump it or not - can some

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Matthew Danish
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 03:21:35PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On 20030320T214958-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > > I highly recommend putting aside the IP-address-configuration stuff for > > the moment and consider becoming a better programmer computer-science > > wise. Get your principl

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20030321T123756-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > Neither of the programming books I recommended restrict themselves to > the theory. Reading books is theory, regardless of what they cover. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% Taiteellisen ohjelmoinni

RE: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread deFreese, Barry
> -Original Message- > From: Sven Luther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:18 AM > To: Barry deFreese > Cc: 'debian-mentors@lists.debian.org' > Subject: Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 09:30:49PM -0800, Barry deFrees

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On 20030321T123756-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > >>Neither of the programming books I recommended restrict themselves to >>the theory. > Reading books is theory, regardless of what they cover. Reading man pages, too, unless you want to practice using man. In my lim

RE: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread deFreese, Barry
> -Original Message- > From: Thomas Viehmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:06 AM > To: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho > Cc: debian-mentors > Subject: Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration > > In my limited experience, most people that fail or perform > po

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Matthew Danish
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 08:14:26PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On 20030321T123756-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > > Neither of the programming books I recommended restrict themselves to > > the theory. > > Reading books is theory, regardless of what they cover. Indeed, I am recommending

Re: General programming questions list?

2003-03-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 03:41:11PM -0600, Drew Scott Daniels wrote: > Where should I post general programming questions? What are some good > (interactive) resources? I'm still reading the required and suggested new > maintainer's documentation, so forgive me if it's pointed out somewhere. I apol

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Thomas Viehmann
> I notice that many of you have mentioned Knuth. Are all of you talking > specifically about "The Art of Computer Programming" volumes? Yes. It's the classic on algorithms. However, recall Mark Twain's definition of a classic: A classic is something that everyone wants to have read and nobody wa

Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread Jim Penny
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 02:23:30PM -0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 08:14:26PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > On 20030321T123756-0500, Matthew Danish wrote: > > > Neither of the programming books I recommended restrict themselves to > > > the theory. > > > > Reading

Re: joining Debian / packaging buildd

2003-03-21 Thread Roger Leigh
Jeremy Lainé <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You might be interested in > > http://www.whinlatter.uklinux.net/buildd/ > > Definitely, I'm looking through it right now. > > > You should probably subscribe to buildd-discuss at nocrew.org. > > Done, and browsing through the archives I see I'm goin

Question about ITP and where to go first

2003-03-21 Thread Morgon Kanter
Hello, I have been working on packaging libgdsl (the general data structures library), and am almost finished packaging it, and I have permission from its author. I'm unsure exactly what to do next, however, because it is unclear. Am I supposed to file an ITP bug against WNPP? Or should I find

RE: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration

2003-03-21 Thread deFreese, Barry
> -Original Message- > From: Thomas Viehmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:16 PM > To: deFreese, Barry > Cc: debian-mentors > Subject: Re: [OT] A question for programmers - Inspiration > > > > I notice that many of you have mentioned Knuth. Are all of > you