Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 05:56:31PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Lets see, some regular used feature in Perlk is to use the return > value of a funktion thats stored in $_ or somthing. Sure, you CAN do that in Perl, but you don't have to. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 05:56:31PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Lets see, some regular used feature in Perlk is to use the return > value of a funktion thats stored in $_ or somthing. Sure, you CAN do that in Perl, but you don't have to. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-19 Thread goswin . brederlow
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 03:15:04AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Yeah, I hate perl. Its easy to create bugs and hard to fix them. > > You can do that in any language. Perl is no different to C in that regard. > Recently I've been programming a lo

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-19 Thread goswin . brederlow
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 03:15:04AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >wrote: > > Yeah, I hate perl. Its easy to create bugs and hard to fix them. > > You can do that in any language. Perl is no different to C in that regard. > Recently I've been programming a

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-17 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > Especially the programmers who choose bad languages in the first place. > > If there is such a thing, Perl is not one of them. > To make clear: I do not hate perl, I'm not very familiar with it (I prefer awk, when parsing and Pascal or C for o

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-17 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > Especially the programmers who choose bad languages in the first place. > > If there is such a thing, Perl is not one of them. > To make clear: I do not hate perl, I'm not very familiar with it (I prefer awk, when parsing and Pascal or C for

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 05:08:38PM +0200, Marius Vollmer wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The language is not at fault, the programmers who use it badly are. > > Especially the programmers who choose bad languages in the first place. If there is such a thing, Perl is not

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 05:08:38PM +0200, Marius Vollmer wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The language is not at fault, the programmers who use it badly are. > > Especially the programmers who choose bad languages in the first place. If there is such a thing, Perl is no

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > The whole state debconf is best described as "prototype". Well thank you so much for your observation. It's not true though. > I'm not very > experienced in perl, so I never saw a perl-program before that is so much > less readable than a bad C-code. > > But I don't lik

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread An Thi-Nguyen Le
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 05:08:38PM +0200, Marius Vollmer typed: } Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: } } > The language is not at fault, the programmers who use it badly are. } } Especially the programmers who choose bad languages in the first place. No kidding. We should throw out C, C

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard R. Link wrote: > The whole state debconf is best described as "prototype". Well thank you so much for your observation. It's not true though. > I'm not very > experienced in perl, so I never saw a perl-program before that is so much > less readable than a bad C-code. > > But I don't li

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread An Thi-Nguyen Le
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 05:08:38PM +0200, Marius Vollmer typed: } Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: } } > The language is not at fault, the programmers who use it badly are. } } Especially the programmers who choose bad languages in the first place. No kidding. We should throw out C,

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Marius Vollmer
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The language is not at fault, the programmers who use it badly are. Especially the programmers who choose bad languages in the first place.

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 11:52:41AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > The whole state debconf is best described as "prototype". I'm not very > experienced in perl, so I never saw a perl-program before that is so much > less readable than a bad C-code. Perl can be readable or obfuscated. The language

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 03:15:04AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yeah, I hate perl. Its easy to create bugs and hard to fix them. You can do that in any language. Perl is no different to C in that regard. Recently I've been programming a lot in Tcl; too many inconsistencies to be a good langua

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Marius Vollmer
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The language is not at fault, the programmers who use it badly are. Especially the programmers who choose bad languages in the first place. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROT

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 11:52:41AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > The whole state debconf is best described as "prototype". I'm not very > experienced in perl, so I never saw a perl-program before that is so much > less readable than a bad C-code. Perl can be readable or obfuscated. The languag

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 03:15:04AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yeah, I hate perl. Its easy to create bugs and hard to fix them. You can do that in any language. Perl is no different to C in that regard. Recently I've been programming a lot in Tcl; too many inconsistencies to be a good lang

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > Er, debconf includes its own web server. In 256 lines of perl. > (Shittiest web server on earth too, btw.) The whole state debconf is best described as "prototype". I'm not very experienced in perl, so I never saw a perl-program before that is so much less

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-16 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > Er, debconf includes its own web server. In 256 lines of perl. > (Shittiest web server on earth too, btw.) The whole state debconf is best described as "prototype". I'm not very experienced in perl, so I never saw a perl-program before that is so much les

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"goswin" == goswin brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: goswin> I expressed it more clearly on -policy, but just to goswin> clarify. I completly seperate configuration and installation goswin> here. Configuration must be interactive, but installation goswin> must not. Thats MY opinion.

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"goswin" == goswin brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: goswin> I expressed it more clearly on -policy, but just to goswin> clarify. I completly seperate configuration and installation goswin> here. Configuration must be interactive, but installation goswin> must not. Thats MY opinion.

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
Seth Cohn wrote: > Debconf should be able to handle things like that with the 'web' option. > If you are remotely installing, you shouldn't depend on an ssh or telnet > session staying up. And vice versa, upgrading a webserver should NOT let > you use the 'web' option of debconf. Er, debconf incl

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
Seth Cohn wrote: > Debconf should be able to handle things like that with the 'web' option. > If you are remotely installing, you shouldn't depend on an ssh or telnet > session staying up. And vice versa, upgrading a webserver should NOT let > you use the 'web' option of debconf. Er, debconf inc

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-14 Thread Seth Cohn
> Thats stuff that can actually cost money and if it does you will hate > the stupid sawfish *sorry, but thats a _absolutly random_ :) name, > nothing against sawfish, change at will* for bothering you to drive to > the system and press return. Debconf should be able to handle things like that wit

Re: a bit policy, a bit devel [was: Re: Find the display]

2000-08-14 Thread Seth Cohn
> Thats stuff that can actually cost money and if it does you will hate > the stupid sawfish *sorry, but thats a _absolutly random_ :) name, > nothing against sawfish, change at will* for bothering you to drive to > the system and press return. Debconf should be able to handle things like that wi