Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-09 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> People who forgot (or never noticed) that the file is generated from >> files in conf.d will open /etc/texmf/bla.conf in their favorite >> editor, change the generated file without noticing, and will be >> surprised if the change is lost after the next p

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The configuration file is the file from which the configuration is > > read, that is, the file in /var/lib/blah which isn't in /etc. [...] > > 1: In the sense that they can't decide that using the conf.d is sill

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-08 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 08 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: >> Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > You've now got a conffile in a location which is not /etc, namely >> > /var/lib/bla, which cannot be overridden by the administrator. >> >> No, I don't. The program

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You've now got a conffile in a location which is not /etc, namely > > /var/lib/bla, which cannot be overridden by the administrator. > > No, I don't. The program reads its configuration from a file in > /var/li

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-08 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: >> Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: >> >> Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Right. The problem is that it's not always easy to know if the

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 11:47:49PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 12:28:39AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank K?ster wrote: > > > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just a word of caution here: If the administrator has modified the > > > >

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 12:28:39AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank K?ster wrote: > > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just a word of caution here: If the administrator has modified the > > > file, you should not rename or move it, as they may know better > > >

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: > >> Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > Right. The problem is that it's not always easy to know if the file > >> > will no longer be read at all; you c

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 11:35:01AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank K?ster wrote: > > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Right. The problem is that it's not always easy to know if the file > > > will no longer be read at all; you can't assume that the admini

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: >> Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Right. The problem is that it's not always easy to know if the file >> > will no longer be read at all; you can't assume that the administrator >> > has left in

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Right. The problem is that it's not always easy to know if the file > > will no longer be read at all; you can't assume that the administrator > > has left in place your default configuration system. > > Of

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right. The problem is that it's not always easy to know if the file > will no longer be read at all; you can't assume that the administrator > has left in place your default configuration system. Of course the maintainer should know their package. If th

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a word of caution here: If the administrator has modified the > > file, you should not rename or move it, as they may know better > > than you what they're doing. A proper course of action would be > > warn

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Frank Küster
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 06 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: >> - if it is changed, either keep it and insert a comment at its >> beginning that it is unused, or move/rename it. In all cases where >> the file's presence could have a bad effect, I renamed or moved >> it

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-07 Thread Frank Küster
Justin Pryzby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: >> Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > The question is, how do I solve this? Should I forcefully remove >> > the conffile before calling update-rc.d? It feels really bad to >> > re

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006, Frank Küster wrote: > - if it is changed, either keep it and insert a comment at its > beginning that it is unused, or move/rename it. In all cases where > the file's presence could have a bad effect, I renamed or moved > it. Just a word of caution here: If the administr

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-06 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 10:02:06PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The question is, how do I solve this? Should I forcefully remove > > the conffile before calling update-rc.d? It feels really bad to > > remove files from /etc in maintainer scripts, but p

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-06 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 03:41:13PM -0500, pryzbyj wrote: > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 09:21:28PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > Hello, > > > > After bug report #339387, I added a postinst file to the dummy package > > gnocatan-meta-server, which does > > update-rc.d gnocatan-meta-server remove &>/dev/n

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-06 Thread Frank Küster
Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The question is, how do I solve this? Should I forcefully remove the conffile > before calling update-rc.d? It feels really bad to remove files from /etc in > maintainer scripts, but perhaps it's the right thing to do... I've come across this several time

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-06 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 09:21:28PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > Hello, > > After bug report #339387, I added a postinst file to the dummy package > gnocatan-meta-server, which does > update-rc.d gnocatan-meta-server remove &>/dev/null || true > in order to get rid of the links which were created by

Re: Removing former conffiles

2006-02-06 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Bas Wijnen said: > Hello, > > After bug report #339387, I added a postinst file to the dummy package > gnocatan-meta-server, which does > update-rc.d gnocatan-meta-server remove &>/dev/null || true > in order to get rid of the links which were created by the previous >