Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-18 Thread Eric VB
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:07:47AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:50:24AM +0100, Eric VB wrote: > > If you can do virtually everything without being a DD as you mentioned > > before, > > why did you apply to be one ??? > > When I applied, there was not much demand. Ther

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-18 Thread Eric VB
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:07:47AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:50:24AM +0100, Eric VB wrote: > > If you can do virtually everything without being a DD as you mentioned before, > > why did you apply to be one ??? > > When I applied, there was not much demand. There we

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-17 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:50:24AM +0100, Eric VB wrote: > If you can do virtually everything without being a DD as you mentioned before, > why did you apply to be one ??? When I applied, there was not much demand. There weren't several hundred applicants waiting, so there was no queue. There was

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-17 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:50:24AM +0100, Eric VB wrote: > If you can do virtually everything without being a DD as you mentioned before, > why did you apply to be one ??? When I applied, there was not much demand. There weren't several hundred applicants waiting, so there was no queue. There was

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-17 Thread Eric VB
Hamish, Just one question. If you can do virtually everything without being a DD as you mentioned before, why did you apply to be one ??? Yours, Eric. On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:39:43AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:37:21PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > If he

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-17 Thread Eric VB
Hamish, Just one question. If you can do virtually everything without being a DD as you mentioned before, why did you apply to be one ??? Yours, Eric. On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:39:43AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:37:21PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > If h

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:37:21PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > If he has root access on his Suse box, I think a chroot Debian > environment might work out if he's careful. Good point. If his work allows it.. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:37:21PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > If he has root access on his Suse box, I think a chroot Debian > environment might work out if he's careful. Good point. If his work allows it.. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:30:59PM +0100, Eric VB wrote: > > At the moment, I live 2000 km from home, I don't have a Debian system at ha > nd, > > and at work, I'm only allowed to use Suse, other distribution is prohibited > . > > > > I'm /home-less and I'm not rich enoug

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:30:59PM +0100, Eric VB wrote: > > At the moment, I live 2000 km from home, I don't have a Debian system at ha > nd, > > and at work, I'm only allowed to use Suse, other distribution is prohibited > . > > > > I'm /home-less and I'm not rich enou

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:06:48PM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote: > ** On Jan 15, Hamish Moffatt scribbled: > > No, Debian (a software project) is about developing an OS, not > > about providing access to machines. The machines are only a tool > > for developing the distribution. > yes, but you can'

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:06:48PM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote: > ** On Jan 15, Hamish Moffatt scribbled: > > No, Debian (a software project) is about developing an OS, not > > about providing access to machines. The machines are only a tool > > for developing the distribution. > yes, but you can

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:30:59PM +0100, Eric VB wrote: > As I mentioned before, I have passed all tasks and skills to become a NM, I'm > just waiting DAM approval. > > At the moment, I live 2000 km from home, I don't have a Debian system at hand, > and at work, I'm only allowed to use Suse, othe

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:30:59PM +0100, Eric VB wrote: > As I mentioned before, I have passed all tasks and skills to become a NM, I'm > just waiting DAM approval. > > At the moment, I live 2000 km from home, I don't have a Debian system at hand, > and at work, I'm only allowed to use Suse, oth

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Christian T . Steigies
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:06:48PM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote: > yes, but you can't expect all the maintainers hava a park of machines of all > architectures. And yet, the Debian OS runs different kernels and on > different architectures. The conclusion is obvious. I am pretty sure that if you a

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Christian T . Steigies
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:06:48PM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote: > yes, but you can't expect all the maintainers hava a park of machines of all > architectures. And yet, the Debian OS runs different kernels and on > different architectures. The conclusion is obvious. I am pretty sure that if you

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Eric VB
As I mentioned before, I have passed all tasks and skills to become a NM, I'm just waiting DAM approval. At the moment, I live 2000 km from home, I don't have a Debian system at hand, and at work, I'm only allowed to use Suse, other distribution is prohibited. I'm /home-less and I'm not rich enou

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Marek Habersack
** On Jan 15, Hamish Moffatt scribbled: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 10:49:00PM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote: > > have brains and skills that can be used. And besides, a SOFTWARE PROJECT is > > about giving its pariticpants access to software/hardware they can work on, > > isn't it? Especially a multi

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 10:49:00PM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote: > have brains and skills that can be used. And besides, a SOFTWARE PROJECT is > about giving its pariticpants access to software/hardware they can work on, > isn't it? Especially a multi-arch/multi-OS distribution like Debian. No, De

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Eric VB
As I mentioned before, I have passed all tasks and skills to become a NM, I'm just waiting DAM approval. At the moment, I live 2000 km from home, I don't have a Debian system at hand, and at work, I'm only allowed to use Suse, other distribution is prohibited. I'm /home-less and I'm not rich eno

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Marek Habersack
** On Jan 15, Hamish Moffatt scribbled: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 10:49:00PM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote: > > have brains and skills that can be used. And besides, a SOFTWARE PROJECT is > > about giving its pariticpants access to software/hardware they can work on, > > isn't it? Especially a mult

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 10:49:00PM +0100, Marek Habersack wrote: > have brains and skills that can be used. And besides, a SOFTWARE PROJECT is > about giving its pariticpants access to software/hardware they can work on, > isn't it? Especially a multi-arch/multi-OS distribution like Debian. No, D

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Saturday 13 January 2001, at 11 h 10, the keyboard of Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . uploading packages (through a sponsor) After months of sponsorship-bashing ('it will break Debian', 'it will short-circuit the normal NM process'), then after months of ignorance, now it is

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Stefan Nobis
Anthony Towns writes: > The one thing that's *least* useful, though, is trying to tell > volunteers that, dammit, they're just not doing a good enough job, > and they'll have to work harder if they want any respect at all. Hey, don't forget that all the people in the new maintainer process are a

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread exa
Hi Marcus, On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 05:32:40PM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > Nothing of this is hard to understand. But if this happens, you have to pass > on the general staff. If you don't care about new maintainers, because you > don't think there is much value in them, leave them alone. But

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Saturday 13 January 2001, at 11 h 10, the keyboard of Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > . uploading packages (through a sponsor) After months of sponsorship-bashing ('it will break Debian', 'it will short-circuit the normal NM process'), then after months of ignorance, now it is

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Britton
> I mean, is it really difficult to see how approving someone who'll > maintain a couple of packages that'll get dropped into optional or extra > isn't really a high priority? Is it difficult to see how someone might The problem with this logic is that you don't have much chance of being able to

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-15 Thread Stefan Nobis
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The one thing that's *least* useful, though, is trying to tell > volunteers that, dammit, they're just not doing a good enough job, > and they'll have to work harder if they want any respect at all. Hey, don't forget that all the people in the new main

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread exa
Hi Marcus, On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 05:32:40PM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > Nothing of this is hard to understand. But if this happens, you have to pass > on the general staff. If you don't care about new maintainers, because you > don't think there is much value in them, leave them alone. But

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Britton
> I mean, is it really difficult to see how approving someone who'll > maintain a couple of packages that'll get dropped into optional or extra > isn't really a high priority? Is it difficult to see how someone might The problem with this logic is that you don't have much chance of being able to

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Marek Habersack
** On Jan 14, Anthony Towns scribbled: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:47:21PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > On 20010114T010257-0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? > > > Those are special cases, and warrant access to our non-x86 machines. > >

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Marek Habersack
** On Jan 14, Anthony Towns scribbled: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:47:21PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > On 20010114T010257-0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? > > > Those are special cases, and warrant access to our non-x86 machines. > >

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:47:44AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > I mean, is it really difficult to see how approving someone who'll > maintain a couple of packages that'll get dropped into optional or extra > isn't really a high priority? Is it difficult to see how someone might > think, oh, I don'

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:47:21PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On 20010114T010257-0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? > > Those are special cases, and warrant access to our non-x86 machines. > What about those with sid (me) who want access to

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:47:44AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > I mean, is it really difficult to see how approving someone who'll > maintain a couple of packages that'll get dropped into optional or extra > isn't really a high priority? Is it difficult to see how someone might > think, oh, I don

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:47:21PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On 20010114T010257-0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? > > Those are special cases, and warrant access to our non-x86 machines. > What about those with sid (me) who want access t

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Daniel Stone
> On 20010114T010257-0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? > > Those are special cases, and warrant access to our non-x86 machines. What about those with sid (me) who want access to potato and woody machines to test with weird breakages? (me) Why

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010114T010257-0600, Scott Dier wrote: > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? Those are special cases, and warrant access to our non-x86 machines. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% Keep the Deja Archiv

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Daniel Stone
> On 20010114T010257-0600, Scott Dier wrote: > > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? > > Those are special cases, and warrant access to our non-x86 machines. What about those with sid (me) who want access to potato and woody machines to test with weird breakages? (me) Wh

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010114T010257-0600, Scott Dier wrote: > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? Those are special cases, and warrant access to our non-x86 machines. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% Keep the Deja Archi

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread exa
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 01:02:57AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? What if I > someday end up with a package like that, want to see it for myself, fix > the problem, and send the patch upstream like a good developer? > > Having access to plat

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread exa
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 01:02:57AM -0600, Scott Dier wrote: > What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? What if I > someday end up with a package like that, want to see it for myself, fix > the problem, and send the patch upstream like a good developer? > > Having access to pla

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-14 Thread Scott Dier
* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010113 17:31]: > > Only for very few tasks you will require to be an official Debian > are not important, neither is login access to Debian systems. What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? What if I someday end up with a package li

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-13 Thread Scott Dier
* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010113 17:31]: > > Only for very few tasks you will require to be an official Debian > are not important, neither is login access to Debian systems. What about odd programs with breakage on non-x86 platforms? What if I someday end up with a package l

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-13 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010113T111032+0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > Only for very few tasks you will require to be an official Debian > maintainer. However, as long as you are not a Debian developer, you do not have power over policy or in constitutional issues. You can't, for example, vote for a DPL or second poli

Re: New-maintainer - STOP THAT SHIT

2001-01-13 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20010113T111032+0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > Only for very few tasks you will require to be an official Debian > maintainer. However, as long as you are not a Debian developer, you do not have power over policy or in constitutional issues. You can't, for example, vote for a DPL or second pol