Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes: > Am 15.06.2010 21:08, schrieb Russ Allbery: >> The current DM implementation is weird in that it's dictated by a GR. >> It might be worth getting a ruling from the project secretary on >> whether we need another GR to change the details of it (or, better, to >>

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-16 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 15.06.2010 21:08, schrieb Russ Allbery: > The current DM implementation is weird in that it's dictated by a GR. It > might be worth getting a ruling from the project secretary on whether we > need another GR to change the details of it (or, better, to make the > details of it up to existi

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise writes: > Ben Finney wrote: >> The field should go away and be replaced with an out-of-band setting >> that only a sponsor can change. > Looks like there is the possibility of changing this: > feel free to give us dak patches making DM saner. you will be heard. > (from the #debian-

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Andres Mejia
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 05:42:43 Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > The field should go away and be replaced with an out-of-band setting > > that only a sponsor can change. > > Looks like there is the possibility of changing this: > > feel free to give us

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Christoph Egger
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes: > [..] > [ uploading a package multiple times without DMUA:Yes] > >> Thankfully I was under the debian-med umbrella, otherwise I would >> have gone mad, if every time I would have had to search for a DD. > [..] > > Uhm... Why? I guess it's more the rule than th

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Christoph Egger
David Paleino writes: > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:14:54 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl >> wrote: >> >> > I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors >> > while asking for setting the "DM-Upload-Allowed: yes" flag at

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Simon Richter, 2010-06-15] > I don't think it needs to be reflected in the changelog either, as it > doesn't really concern the packaging as such, but only upload > permissions (also, if I should set it, then I'd have to write the > changelog entry, no?). what about other DDs? I want to have a co

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Mathieu Malaterre, 2010-06-15] > Thankfully I was under the debian-med umbrella, otherwise I would > have gone mad, if every time I would have had to search for a DD. well, it is hard indeed (if you want a new DD for every upload). Hint: try to ask previous sponsor first! > I completely unde

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-06-15, Paul Wise wrote: > This isn't the only misuse of DMUA that exists, some people set it in > their package instead of asking the sponsor to set it. Others go I guess it is unimportant who exactly writes the lines to debian/control. But the sponsor should definately agree on it being

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 15.06.2010 12:16, schrieb Mathieu Malaterre: > Speaking of experience I had to re-upload 5 times the exact same > packages (GDCM) because in between each upload: Why 5 times? > - HPPA uploaded a Java package with dangling symnlink, > - arm/armel updated the java package and libraries m

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 15.06.2010 12:16, schrieb Mathieu Malaterre: [..] [ uploading a package multiple times without DMUA:Yes] > Thankfully I was under the debian-med umbrella, otherwise I would > have gone mad, if every time I would have had to search for a DD. [..] Uhm... Why? I guess it's more the rule

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:14:54AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > This isn't the only misuse of DMUA that exists, some people set it in > their package instead of asking the sponsor to set it. Others go > further and do not mention that in debian/changelog nor in their RFS > mail. That is general

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Hector Oron
Hello Alexander, 2010/6/14 Alexander Reichle-Schmehl : > So I think asking for DMUA:Yes while seeking an initial sponsor is just > plain wrong, as convincing a DD shouldn't be a one timer.  I therefore > ask DMs not to ask to set this flag on the first upload, and DDs not to > do so. Apologies I

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
[I am a DM] Hi there, Even this is against the spirit of Debian Maintainer Concept, I believe this is because people are pragmatic. Speaking of experience I had to re-upload 5 times the exact same packages (GDCM) because in between each upload: - HPPA uploaded a Java package with dangling sy

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread David Paleino
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:14:54 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl > wrote: > > > I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors > > while asking for setting the "DM-Upload-Allowed: yes" flag at the very > > same time. > > Th

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > The field should go away and be replaced with an out-of-band setting > that only a sponsor can change. Looks like there is the possibility of changing this: feel free to give us dak patches making DM saner. you will be heard. (from the #deb

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Ben Finney
Jakub Wilk writes: > * Paul Wise , 2010-06-15, 10:14: > > I'd personally like to see DMUA move from source packages to a mail > > bot or LDAP or something else. > > Same here. While I endorse the concept of Debian Maintainers, I am > very unhappy with the way it is currently implemented. As a De

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:57:57AM +0200, Jakub Wilk a écrit : > * Paul Wise , 2010-06-15, 10:14: >> I'd personally like to see DMUA move from source packages to a mail bot >> or LDAP or something else. > > Same here. While I endorse the concept of Debian Maintainers, I am very > unhappy with th

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-15 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Paul Wise , 2010-06-15, 10:14: I'd personally like to see DMUA move from source packages to a mail bot or LDAP or something else. Same here. While I endorse the concept of Debian Maintainers, I am very unhappy with the way it is currently implemented. -- Jakub Wilk signature.asc Descript

Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors > while asking for setting the "DM-Upload-Allowed: yes" flag at the very > same time. This isn't the only misuse of DMUA that exists, some people set it in th

Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor

2010-06-14 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors while asking for setting the "DM-Upload-Allowed: yes" flag at the very same time. While I can certainly understand Maintainers want to upload their packages ASAP themselves, I would like to point out that I consider that qui