Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-15 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, right now dpkg-architecture fails to output the proper canonical > GNU architecture :( Bug report and patch in #115655. -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, James Troup wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > They should use --buind and --host because that saves on a very > > CPU-expensive call to config.guess in the autobuilders. > > CPU-expensive?? I really wish people would give up trying to jus

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-15 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also gettext (#100038, but upstream didn't seem terribly interested in > changing this). This unfortunately introduces the need for triplet > knowledge into packages that are otherwise entirely > architecture-agnostic. Whoa, this will affect a lot more p

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-15 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, right now dpkg-architecture fails to output the proper canonical > GNU architecture :( Bug report and patch in #115655. -- Robbe signature.ng Description: PGP signature

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-15 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, James Troup wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > They should use --buind and --host because that saves on a very > > CPU-expensive call to config.guess in the autobuilders. > > CPU-expensive?? I really wish people would give up trying to ju

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-15 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also gettext (#100038, but upstream didn't seem terribly interested in > changing this). This unfortunately introduces the need for triplet > knowledge into packages that are otherwise entirely > architecture-agnostic. Whoa, this will affect a lot more

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-14 Thread James Troup
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > They should use --buind and --host because that saves on a very > CPU-expensive call to config.guess in the autobuilders. CPU-expensive?? I really wish people would give up trying to justify things with the incredible BS excuse of "saving

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 09:30:09PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > My experience is that by far not all packages that use > autoconf/automake need config.{sub,guess}. AFAIK the rule is, that you > need config.{sub,guess} if you use one or more of: > > (a) libtool > (b) AC_CANONICAL_HOST > (c) AC_

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > I think you should mention that fact in the README. I was worried for Done. > > automated: The config.guess and config.sub files will be updated at every > > build, then. > > Maybe this is the right place to caution maintainers that calling [...] D

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-14 Thread James Troup
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > They should use --buind and --host because that saves on a very > CPU-expensive call to config.guess in the autobuilders. CPU-expensive?? I really wish people would give up trying to justify things with the incredible BS excuse of "savin

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 09:30:09PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > My experience is that by far not all packages that use > autoconf/automake need config.{sub,guess}. AFAIK the rule is, that you > need config.{sub,guess} if you use one or more of: > > (a) libtool > (b) AC_CANONICAL_HOST > (c) AC

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-14 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > I think you should mention that fact in the README. I was worried for Done. > > automated: The config.guess and config.sub files will be updated at every > > build, then. > > Maybe this is the right place to caution maintainers that calling [...]

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-14 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Attached you'll find the new README.Debian file of the autotools-dev > package. Any comments/suggestions/fixes? Sure ... > The config.guess and config.sub files, used by autoconf- and automake- > generated scripts, need to be constantly

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-14 Thread Robert Bihlmeyer
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Attached you'll find the new README.Debian file of the autotools-dev > package. Any comments/suggestions/fixes? Sure ... > The config.guess and config.sub files, used by autoconf- and automake- > generated scripts, need to be constantl

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 11:31:04AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Also, to canonicalize the host and build values, the above should be > > ./configure --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE)-gnu > > --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)-gnu \ > > ... (other configure options) .. > No.

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Steve Langasek wrote: > > (GNU makefile snippet): > > export DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) > > export DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) [...] > If this is the recommended way to call ./configure, should

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 11:31:04AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Also, to canonicalize the host and build values, the above should be > > ./configure --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE)-gnu --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)-gnu \ > > ... (other configure options) .. > No. For

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Steve Langasek wrote: > > (GNU makefile snippet): > > export DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) > > export DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) [...] > If this is the recommended way to call ./configure, should

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Henrique, > (GNU makefile snippet): > export DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) > export DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) > ./configure --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) \ > ... (other

[RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Hello developers, Attached you'll find the new README.Debian file of the autotools-dev package. Any comments/suggestions/fixes? The whole GNU autotools stuff is a hairy topic, I know... but if we don't document how to best use them (in Debian) somewhere, it will only get worse. Suggestions of o

Re: [RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Henrique, > (GNU makefile snippet): > export DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) > export DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) > ./configure --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) \ > ... (other

[RFC] Hits/directions to using autoconf and friends in Debian

2001-10-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Hello developers, Attached you'll find the new README.Debian file of the autotools-dev package. Any comments/suggestions/fixes? The whole GNU autotools stuff is a hairy topic, I know... but if we don't document how to best use them (in Debian) somewhere, it will only get worse. Suggestions of