On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:15:50PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> And we very clearly treat everything in Debian as software (see the
> >> first clause of the Social Contract).
> >
> > Not quite. Tex
Andrew Suffield wrote:
> with a package where upstream are untrustworthy lying bastards.
I have followed the history of mplayer vs Debian, and I
saw many flames, but yet this line by Andrew Suffield is
an all-time record
why isnt it possible to have a civil discussion on this matter?
this is soo
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Andrea Mennucc wrote:
>
> > what about uploading that package to the debian archives, in
> > non-free?
>
> Do the license of Compaq and the Debian policy allow this? Presumably a
> debian-maintainer with access-p
, they do make money out of it and
Debian does not.
So, from a legal standpoint, where is the problem?
TIA for your help,
Andrea.
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ute pine in binary form and Debian cannot. Or anyone making prebuilt
debs available, for that matter.
Sorry for not being a lawyer, not everyone is perfect ;-)
Andrea.
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Ja Lada ajaa ky
be perfectly fine.
Andrea.
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Heinä haisi, puut tuoksui, linnut lauloi vaan
Ja Lada ajaa kylän raitilla, Lada ajaa ja stereot soittaa
non-free section: I
understand that it exists for precisely that reason. Why restrict it to
source only?
Andrea.
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Mä muistan sen kirkkaan päivän, sen kesän ja sen valon häivän
Heinä haisi, puut tuoksui, linnut lauloi vaan
Ja Lada ajaa kylän raitilla, Lada ajaa ja stereot soittaa
actively looking for trouble(*).
Andrea.
(*) with the the exception of PanIP, of course ;-)
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Heinä haisi, puut tuoksui, linnut lauloi vaan
Ja Lada ajaa kylän raitilla, Lada ajaa ja stereot soittaa
oint and, also, this kind of
reasoning doesn't translate to Debian caring more than others, not by a long
shot.
Andrea.
P.S.: yes, examples of similar cases are welcome, by private email to reduce
clutter on the list.
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tware that walks like Pine, talks like Pine
and looks like Pine but in fact is not Pine? (something like nano instead of
pico, mutt-fans please hands off the keyboard)
Andrea.
P.S.: no need to CC me, I'm subscribed to the list.
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I'll have a look, if else for fun. Thanks.
Ok, I'm off to write UW... must remember asbestos underwear ;-)
Andrea.
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Heinä haisi, puut tuoksui, linnut lauloi vaan
Ja Lada ajaa kylän raitilla, Lada ajaa ja stereot soittaa
of
licensing concerns. I agree 100% that Debian is more conservative to push
freedom, though.
Ok, a couple of replies still, but the thread is essentially over for me: I
gave my opinion, I heard your comments and it only remains to try asking
nicely if they change the license (ok, I'm not holdin
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So if people on debian-legal thinks that it is important, I will add
a diff of libmpeg2.
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sorry: yesterday evening I commented out the lines
#on wakeup:
# boot brain/0
I am now self-patching with the help of a java-cup
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eard, FSF was still arguing with Real over the RPSL
compliance to the four basic freedoms. Has this discussion come to an
(official) end, as far as you all know?
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roblem, at least (not sure
how relevant the "desert island test", because I agree with something
someone said here, that in some countries, Italy for example, you
can't be punished if you obviously couldn't do something law
"normally" enforces you
the long run it's much better for Helix to
thrive (the fact that some licenses don't allow you to copy programs
hasn't but an end to piracy, nor is it going to do it soon).
What do other people here think? What does the FSF think?
PS does anybody know whythe "ch
more interesting.
And, "chinese dissident" and "desert islands" tests aparts, I find
RPSL requests of having modification publicly available is just going
to limit diffusion of Helix amongst those people whose ability Real
could benefit most from: hackers.
bye,
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ed, in two or three
years, seeing how much free speech has been suppressed in supposedly
democratic countries.
bye,
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>>>>> "tb" == Thomas Bushnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
tb> Andrea Glorioso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Well, I can see that the RPSL talks about making modifications
>> "publicly available", which is IMHO cumbersom
ntent", in which case it seems
to me that the RPSL obliges you to redistribute the modified source to
every recipient of the content. I suppose it doesn't buy much for
what Real is trying to achieve (from from I can gather, but of course
Rob's words on this issue are helpful) an
e
tb> surprised...)
I'm taking this offlist with Thomas.
bye,
andrea
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"There's no free expression without control on the tools you use"
censes, yes. They add bloat and tend to
help misinterpretation of the license. I'm perfectly fine with
request, though.
bye,
andrea
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from those who you
need most, developers and hackers (please note I use the original
sense of the term).
bye,
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a
license (not more than you can't make people not steal by having laws
against stealing, as everyday life shows us).
bye,
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at> especially lucky. It's not really about protecting you from
at> competition by your users.
I couldn't agree more. Great food for thought.
bye,
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dy's freedom.
tb> They are therefore onerous license terms.
So, your opinion is that the RPSL terms (specifically the terms about
redistributing modifications, of course) are onerous, too?
bye,
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Binary Only
>>>>> "tb" == Thomas Bushnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
tb> Yes, absolutely! That's what started this whole discussion,
tb> IIRC.
Good. I was just trying to summarize one of the points that I care
most about (the RPSL and Helix being libre s
Adam Warner wrote:
I'm please to see what has been done Andrea. I believe the copyright
file can be improved by these completely unofficial suggestions
(suggestions start with *):
This package was first debianized by * TeLeNiEkO * [EMAIL PROTECTED] on
Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:24:04
more information at
www.edu.ph.unito.it/~fanfani
(my collection of licence of ldp)
or at ldp.iol.it (my nearest mirror of LDP, but you can find
here the link for ufficial site)
always sorry for my english
best regards
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non free I suppose :-)
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On Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 08:57:35PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
[...]
hi I have decided to put the linux kernel and the user guide
in main and the linux programmer guide in non-free ...
it is right or not ?
regards
Andrea Fanfani
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and discussion ...
please contact me for any kind of questions ..
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ok this the answer for the package of network admis guide
(under LDP licence), please can we decide a definitive
point of view about this licence :-))
i'm not a lawyer and i would like an ``oracle'' definitive
decision ...
best regards
Andrea Fanfani
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On Sat, Apr 17, 1999 at 04:51:26AM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote:
[...]
Hi I can try to make a brief summary of the discussion inside
debian-legal on the licence of the guides of linux documentation
project.
First of all you can find the licences of the guides
at www.edu.ph.unito.it/~andrea
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ofical question: a poem or a picture can be ``released'' under G=
PL ?
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Hi all, I have decided that i put the guides of LDP
under non-free until there will have a change of licence ...
problems ?
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If you have any kind of question please contact me and/or
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Hi i'm working on the package of tkxanim.
Tkxanim is a gpl front-end to the program xanim that is non-free.
Where i put tkxanim ? in the contrib part with a tag
Depends: xanim
or in the main part with a tag
Suggest: xanim
please clarify me this point
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aybe
you want only see how is his look&feel without installing the
main program
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hi
I have uploaded mplayer 1.0pre6a-3
It ships a correctly repackaged upstream source;
it has a 'debian/rules get-orig-source' (as asked in debian-devel)
that creates the .orig.tar.gz
It should appear in http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW.html
and in I will put a copy in
http://tonelli.sns
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