AW: Use of Debian Linux as basis of commercially dsitributed appliance box

2014-07-29 Thread Renner, Clemens
Ian, thank you for taking the time to give us valuable advice. We have already been in touch with our lawyer to check the circumstances of our actual application code, which also makes use of open-source software components, libraries, servers, etc. By now, I think it makes sense to also involv

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM, James Wade wrote: > Hi all, > > There seems to be some confusion over the PHP License. > > We had this bug report into a PEAR project which outlines that Debian > cannot include any projects that fall under the PHP License. > > * https://pear.php.net/bugs/bug.php

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
debian-legal isn't the body that makes this decision, you might want ftpmas...@ftp-master.debian.org Thanks, Paul On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM, James Wade wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> There seems to be some confusion over the PHP

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 05:20:21PM +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >"If you feel to dispute this please take your *well-formed* and >*well-thought* arguments to debian-legal." ... to discuss it. d-legal is a proper venue for *discussing* it, but it's not the right one to discuss the actual cri

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > debian-legal isn't the body that makes this decision, you might want > ftpmas...@ftp-master.debian.org > > Thanks, > Paul > > Hi Paul, To quote Ondřej from http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org/msg360686.html "If

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 05:20:21PM +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > >"If you feel to dispute this please take your *well-formed* and > >*well-thought* arguments to debian-legal." > > ... to discuss it. d-legal is a proper venue for *

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Walter Landry
Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > I've find it a bit disturbing, that ftpmasters can make a decision on legal > grounds(which is the probably the highest priority for debian as far as I'm > concerned), without any backing from debian-legal debian-legal has no authority to decide anything. It is just a mail

Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 07/29/2014 03:16 PM, Walter Landry wrote: > Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >> I've find it a bit disturbing, that ftpmasters can make a decision on legal >> grounds(which is the probably the highest priority for debian as far as I'm >> concerned), without any backing from debian-legal > > debian-legal h

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 04:47:34PM +0200, Ferenc Kovacs a écrit : > > from the replies on the debian mailing lists it seems that this decision on > dropping any project using the php license distributed outside of php-src > is controversial to say the least. Hello Ferenc, from an outsider point

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Ben Finney
Rasmus Lerdorf writes: > I see absolutely no problem with PHP projects distributed from > *.php.net carrying the PHP license. The license talks about "PHP > Software" which we define as software you get from/via *.php.net. Specifically, the license text http://php.net/license/3_01.txt> has this

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Riley Baird
On 30/07/14 10:21, Ben Finney wrote: > Rasmus Lerdorf writes: > >> I see absolutely no problem with PHP projects distributed from >> *.php.net carrying the PHP license. The license talks about "PHP >> Software" which we define as software you get from/via *.php.net. > > Specifically, the license

Re: [PECL-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Walter, On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Walter Landry wrote: > Ferenc Kovacs wrote: >> I've find it a bit disturbing, that ftpmasters can make a decision on legal >> grounds(which is the probably the highest priority for debian as far as I'm >> concerned), without any backing from debian-leg

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Ben Finney
Riley Baird writes: > On 30/07/14 10:21, Ben Finney wrote: > > Rasmus Lerdorf writes: > >> I see absolutely no problem with PHP projects distributed from > >> *.php.net carrying the PHP license. The license talks about "PHP > >> Software" which we define as software you get from/via *.php.net. [

Re: [PHP-QA] Debian and the PHP license

2014-07-29 Thread Riley Baird
> You're advocating a position, then, that the PHP license can require > recipients to make false, and even nonsensical, claims, and that this is > not a problem to be addressed by improving the license terms. I think that this is similar to the BSD licenses. Look at /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD