Re: Bug#431109: [PROPOSAL] Disambiguate of Section 12.5, Deprecate GPL/LGPL symlinks

2007-07-03 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Florian Weimer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >But do we really want to license everything which is "GPL version 2 or > >later" under the GPL version 3? > > Actually, YOU CAN'T. > > The only person who can CHANGE the licence is the per

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 06:56:44PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > > I *explicitly* wrote this disclaimer in my comment message ("The usual > > disclaimers: IANAL, IANADD."): > > Uh, no, you didn't: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/06/msg002

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony W. Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IANAL - so I can't be certain - but it would not surprise me in the > slightest if the majority of British lawyers were NOT members of the > relevant bar association. > > I think bar association members are called barristers - and most lawyers >

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread MJ Ray
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Is "I am afraid it cannot" a definite answer? > > It does not even seem to express certainty... > > (I am not a professor of English) Clearly. > The usage of "I am afraid that " in English has changed. [...]

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Gervase Markham
Steve Langasek wrote: Whatever happened to the First Amendment? Do you also count on First Amendment protection against charges of libel, slander, and false advertising? That's a false analogy. All of the things in your list are done with intent to mislead. In the examples we are considering

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Gervase Markham
Anthony W. Youngman wrote: And as I see it, if I say "My program is licenced under GPLv3 with the following exceptions ...", if the user ignores the exception, they have broken the terms I set for them to use the program, and the GPL doesn't apply, so they can't take advantage of the clause all

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Ben Finney
Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here's a thought experiment: > > Suppose I wrote some software, and wrote it to a CD, erasing all other > copies. I then wrote out, in longhand, the text of the GPLv3 on paper, > and attached it to the CD, and gave it to you. This software would > clea

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Gervase Markham
Ben Finney wrote: No. This is no more true than to say that, because the GPL, BSD, and Artistic licenses accompany software in Debian, that those licenses apply to all of that software. The only thing you've clearly done is distribute a license text and a CD. The license text doesn't apply as th

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Is "I am afraid it cannot" a definite answer? It does not even seem to express certainty... (I am not a professor of English) The usage of "I am afraid that " in English has chang

Jagged Alliance 2 Source Code

2007-07-03 Thread Dennis Schridde
Hello! This is not Debian related, but I think you are the ones who know best about licensing issues. In 2004 the sourcecode to Jagged Alliance 2 was released: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/16/0343250 It comes with a license which I have a hard time to fully understand: http:/

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sean Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Monday 02 July 2007 01:57:07 pm Anthony W. Youngman wrote: Are you saying that somebody has decided to give the US government the right to rule the world? No, but the US government has the right to enforce its laws and

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:21:30 +0100 Anthony W. Youngman wrote: This date is NOT arbitrary. It is AFTER this clause was first discussed. There are two reasons for this. Firstly, many jurisdictions implicitly or explicitly f

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes (The only non-native speakers who I won't cut slack are those who start preaching their interpretation of English as The One True Meaning over objections from Englishmen. ;-) ) I presume you mean Americans :-)) Regards, -- MJR/

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Anthony W. Youngman wrote: And as I see it, if I say "My program is licenced under GPLv3 with the following exceptions ...", if the user ignores the exception, they have broken the terms I set for them to use the program

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:09:44 +0100 Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Francesco > Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:21:30 +0100 Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > > > >> This date is NOT arbitrary. It is AFTER this clause was first > >> discussed. > >> >

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > Sklyarov did what he did AT HOME IN RUSSIA. It was the company he worked > for that marketed it in America. And Sklyarov who traveled to the US and (at the time) allegedly broke the law in a demonstration while in the US. [The insanity of the anti

Re: Jagged Alliance 2 Source Code

2007-07-03 Thread Ben Finney
Dennis Schridde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is not Debian related, but I think you are the ones who know > best about licensing issues. This list, debian-legal, is a resource for Debian developers to determine whether a work is free software compliant with the DFSG. Its regular members con

Re: Jagged Alliance 2 Source Code

2007-07-03 Thread Joe Smith
"Ben Finney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dennis Schridde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: This is not Debian related, but I think you are the ones who know best about licensing issues. This list, debian-legal, is a resource for Debian developers to determine wheth

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Anthony W. Youngman wrote: > It's probably to do with the "v2 or later" stuff. I can't remember, but > it was discussed on Groklaw, and v3 *is* retroactive to the extent that > a lot of stuff is licenced "or later". It's not retroactive. Right now you are free to choose to use any "GPLv2 or late