Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11003 March 1977, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> A lot of developers seem to want to include such clauses about the >> "official" software being distributed timely and only from one source, >> usually with good intentions, but fail to see the unfavourable >> rammifications of their choice. I would rec

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:27:57 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > While I doubt I would have trouble updating the package within > > > >

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:00:06 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: > Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > They're explicitly allowed (though discouraged, as you noted) when > > the requirement is in place for *modified* works. The license in > > question is requiring a name change for even *unmod

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:00:06AM +0100, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > This one time, at band camp, Francesco Poli said: > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:27:57 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: > >

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 19:27 +0100, I wrote: > The author of Ion3 (which I maintain) is proposing to introduce a new > licence[1] which includes the clause: > > > 3. Redistributions of this software accessible plainly with a name > > of this software ("ion", "ion3", etc.), must provide the l

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 12:22 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:00:06AM +0100, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > But if I rename before uploading the package to Debian, then that > > provision is nullified. So I think the licence would then be free in so > > far a

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:25:10PM +0100, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 12:22 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:00:06AM +0100, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > But if I rename before uploading the package to Debian, th

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 13:33 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:25:10PM +0100, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 12:22 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:00:06AM +0100, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:49:39PM +0100, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 13:33 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:25:10PM +0100, Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 12:22 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > >

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:22:43 +0100 Ben Hutchings wrote: [...] > He's now proposing to stick with LGPL but to use a restrictive > trademark licence[1]. I think this puts us in pretty much the same > position as with Firefox/Iceweasel, as I expected[2]. (However, there > is already an icewm, so I

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:09:21PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > To have a trademark license, ion3 should be a trademark in the first > > > place. Is it ? > > It's not a *registered* trademark, but it may yet be a trademark, as the > > author claims. I don't think we really want to test that cl

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 09:14:32AM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:09:21PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > To have a trademark license, ion3 should be a trademark in the first > > > > place. Is it ? > > > > It's not a *registered* trademark, but it

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 06:48:15PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 09:14:32AM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:09:21PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > > To have a trademark license, ion3 should be a trademark in the first > > >

Re: backporting and dual-licensing

2007-04-28 Thread Josh Triplett
Shriramana Sharma wrote: > Say a person X writes a library libfoo. He licenses the library out > under both the GPL and a commercial licence. I think you mean "and a proprietary license". > A person Y uses libfoo under the GPL. He goes and does a lot of > improvements in the library since it is

Re: question about gpl-commercial dual licencing

2007-04-28 Thread Josh Triplett
Andrew Donnellan wrote: > On 4/21/07, Shriramana Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Say someone creates a library libfoo in the C language. The library is >> dual-licenced -- under the GPL and under a commercial licence. GPL is >> for open-source consumers and commercial licence is for closed-sou

Re: question about gpl-commercial dual licencing

2007-04-28 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 4/29/07, Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you created the bindings using ctypes or similar, where there's no > actual linking taking place, I think it's all OK. The specific technical mechanism used to link to libfoo doesn't matter. For the purposes of the GPL, it matters whethe