Re: CC's responses to v3draft comments

2006-10-04 Thread MJ Ray
Markus Laire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/27/06, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since the CC licenses don't require distribution of the preferred > > > form for making modification aka. source code, it is essential that > > > downstream recipient can extract works for modification and

Re: Are source packages required to be DFSG-free? (was: Re: New bugs filed regarding non-free IETF RFC/I-Ds)

2006-10-04 Thread MJ Ray
Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390664 > (please read it first) Oh crap, it's a maintainer who thinks calling other people Nazis is a good idea in debian/changelog. Defamation or what? There's also some documentation-in-the-source-is-not-sou

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > [Restricting to -legal, feel free to widen the audience if neccessary] > > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers don't > > cause > > any kind of distribution pr

Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
Hi debian-legal, ... It seems the firmware kernel issue has reached a deadpoint, as there is some widely different interpretation of the meaning of the GPL over sourceless code. For some background, the kernel/firmware wiki page includes both a proposed GR, the draft position statement by the ker

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
[Restricting to -legal, feel free to widen the audience if neccessary] Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers don't cause > any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly believe that the GPL clause > saying that all the dist

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The main point is that the actual reason for this mess is that those vendors > provided these firmware blobs without thinking of the implication, and the > upstream kernel folk took them in because it was more convenient to consider > them as "data" (to the

Re: CC's responses to v3draft comments

2006-10-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-09-29 11:47:36, schrieb Henri Sivonen: > If you get the source of e.g. Firefox or Gimp and modify the source > and recompile for Windows, Windows will still run your own versions > without you having to ask Microsoft to sign your binaries. Which M$ can change at any time! (The code i

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:28:20 +0200 Sven Luther wrote: > So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers > don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly believe > that the GPL clause saying that all the distribution rights under the > GPL are lost if you cannot abi

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Walter Landry
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers > don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly > believe that the GPL clause saying that all the distribution rights > under the GPL are lost if you cannot abide by all point

Re: New draft of GFDL and GSFDL

2006-10-04 Thread Joe Smith
"Nathanael Nerode" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Time to see what we would need to change to make it DFSG-free. On a quick readthrough of the SFDL, it looks like this to me: * Unlike the GFDL, no Invariant Sections or Cover Texts. And they can't be added, so it

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:31:27PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers > >> don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly > >> beli

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:31:27PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > So the real question is whether we want to do that, whether in the > particular cases there's in fact any doubt, etc. A quick survey based on the size of the firmware blobs suggests 1/3 of them may be register dumps, while 2/3 are mos

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-04 Thread Frank Küster
Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So, the RMs are making claims that those sourceless GPLed drivers >> don't cause any kind of distribution problem, while i strongly >> believe that the GPL clause saying that all the distribution rights >> under t