Is this licence debian-free or "normal"-free?

2006-01-29 Thread Carsten Niehaus
Hi I would like to use (part of) this code in a KDE-application. The licence-terms are in the file. http://www.le.ac.uk/eg/spg3/lattice/Matrix3D.java The important part is * Sun grants you ("Licensee") a non-exclusive, royalty free, license to use, * modify and redistribute this software in

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Raul Miller wrote: > Beyond that: if Adobe files in a CA court, even without this clause > a person is still going to have to deal with that situation somehow. > And if the action is specious, the person can simply dispute that > the license is relevant to the action. The diff

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 04:01:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On 28 Jan 2006 11:32:08 -0500, Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I submit that, under this logic, fees to execute software or create > > derivative works are free since they are not mentioned anyhere in the > > DFSG. The usu

Re: Is this licence debian-free or "normal"-free?

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Carsten Niehaus wrote: > The important part is > > * Sun grants you ("Licensee") a non-exclusive, royalty free, license to use, > * modify and redistribute this software in source and binary code form, > * provided that i) this copyright notice and license appear on all co

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Won't this forbid anyone (but the original copyright holder) to fix bugs >or misfeatures in the font? Not if they choose a different name. For a font bug-for-bug compatibility may be very important to preserve correct rendering of docuements. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNS

Re: Moglen's "all good faith"

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Development of proprietary kernel modules is tolerated, see >EXPORT_SYMBOL vs. EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL. AFAICS, this special exception >to the GPL has never been formalized, but at least overe here the mere While proprietary kernel modules are tolerated, there is no special ex

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Anyway, as you can see there is basically one problematic clause for >> inclusion in Debian, and a few other minor issues that should probably >> be resolved before font authors start using this license. > >Are you sure the naming clause is really that problematic for

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >What you're trying to prevent is clear, it's just not necessary to use >a license to do this. Consider the following: Debian decides to >distribute works containing your font. The original upstream >disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix >it.

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >here we have the most perfect example imaginable of a license being offered >by a copyright holder with a known and public history of hostility towards >information freedom, and people still don't acknowledge that there's a risk >here. It's flabbergasting! The point is n

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:18:32 +1100 Andrew Donnellan wrote: > I think DFSG#5 was written not because of this, but because of > licenses that exclude some uses of the software, e.g. nuclear weapons > factories, animal torture and things that people dislike. That is DFSG#6, not #5. -- :-( Th

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Raul Miller
On 1/29/06, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The difference is that without this clause, the first step is to claim > that the court in question does not have jurisdiction over the > parties.[1] With this clause, before you can get the court to agree > that California is an improper venue

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The > > original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and > > Debian needs to fix it. > > Yes, and this is considered a feature. Usually existing documen

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Raul Miller wrote: > On 1/29/06, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The difference is that without this clause, the first step is to claim > > that the court in question does not have jurisdiction over the > > parties.[1] With this clause, before you can get the court

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Mark Rafn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian decides to distribute works containing your font. The original upstream disappears. A bug is discovered in the font, and Debian needs to fix it. On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote: Yes, and this is considered a feature. Usually existing documents should no

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-29 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 04:04:44PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > It seems a clear test: if I can't distribute a changed version that > can be dropped into a system without changing other software, > it ain't free. I'd take this just a little further, in that the user shouldn't have to change his beha

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-29 Thread Walter Landry
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 01:18:55AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > To be more specific, we generally consider choice-of-venue non-free when > it > > > applies to suits brought by the copyright holder (/licensor) against > > > other > > > peop

Re: Moglen's "all good faith"

2006-01-29 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/29/06, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Development of proprietary kernel modules is tolerated, see > >EXPORT_SYMBOL vs. EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL. AFAICS, this special exception > >to the GPL has never been formalized, but at least overe here the mere > While p

Re: Moglen's "all good faith"

2006-01-29 Thread Alexander Terekhov
One more nail in EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL coffin... On 1/30/06, Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/29/06, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Development of proprietary kernel modules is tolerated, see > > >EXPORT_SYMBOL vs. EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL.