Minimum required copyright/license for logo

2005-08-01 Thread Eric Lavarde - Debian
Hi, for the FreeMind package, which I am maintaining as a non-DD, upstream has planned to use a new logotype, for which I couldn't find any license information (see [1]). Discussing with upstream, I suggested to apply the GPL license as the rest of the program has, against which they argued that t

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael Poole
Ken Arromdee writes: > On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, Michael Poole wrote: >> It is not a fee: implicit warranty and similar liabilities are created >> by law. Where a warranty disclaimer applies, it is because the >> relevant law allows that warranty to be disclaimed. > > I'm not sure that's a distinction

License problem

2005-08-01 Thread Alexis Papadopoulos
Hello, I'm preparing a debian package for a math library (rheolef) which uses the GPL license v2. Some executables that also distributed with it depend on `bamg` application which can be found at http://www-rocq1.inria.fr/gamma/cdrom/www/bamg/eng.htm. This application doesn't seem to have an

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Joe Smith wrote: > For that reason, A non-lawyer is equally suited to point out potential > wording problems in a contract as a lawyer. I don't believe anybody has ever disputed this. It would be kinda silly, since that's what we do around here all the t

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Michael Poole wrote: > >> It is not a fee: implicit warranty and similar liabilities are created > >> by law. Where a warranty disclaimer applies, it is because the > >> relevant law allows that warranty to be disclaimed. > > I'm not sure that's a distinction. After all, a fe

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael Poole
Ken Arromdee writes: > On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Michael Poole wrote: >> >> It is not a fee: implicit warranty and similar liabilities are created >> >> by law. Where a warranty disclaimer applies, it is because the >> >> relevant law allows that warranty to be disclaimed. >> > I'm not sure that's a di

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/1/05, Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The law that creates the warranty also allows its disclaimer; it > allows a developer to refuse the cost that the law incurs. In that > way, the disclaimer reverts the cost balance to its state in the > absense of the law. This is distinct fro

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael Poole
Michael K. Edwards writes: > Anyway, as to personal jurisdiction -- this is a legal principle lost > in the mists of time, adapted in modern times to fit the realities of > commerce without personal contact. A "choice of venue" clause is not > In sum, trying to shoehorn any of the warranty / liab

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/1/05, Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All rambling and ad hominem attacks aside, DFSG analysis is not at all > about risk; it is about determining whether or not the license imposes > non-free restrictions or requirements on licensees. Argument from > authority will not change that

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael Poole
Michael K. Edwards writes: > On 8/1/05, Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> All rambling and ad hominem attacks aside, DFSG analysis is not at all >> about risk; it is about determining whether or not the license imposes >> non-free restrictions or requirements on licensees. Argument from

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/1/05, Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have not meant to equate DFSG freeness with what can go into Debian, > but DFSG freeness is an important threshold issue. If my messages > misled on that point, I apologize. There are other factors to > consider, but this thread was original

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:06:54 + (UTC) Michael Janssen wrote: > Francesco Poli winstonsmith.info> writes: > > > I've just re-read the relevant threads, and I do not agree that the > > two above mentioned clauses are the only issues. > [...] > > Consequently, the issues to be solved are, at le

Re: Minimum required copyright/license for logo

2005-08-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:56:44 +0200 (MEST) Eric Lavarde - Debian wrote: > Hi, > > for the FreeMind package, which I am maintaining as a non-DD, upstream > has planned to use a new logotype, for which I couldn't find any > license information (see [1]). Discussing with upstream, I suggested > to app

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 01:46:50PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On 8/1/05, Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All rambling and ad hominem attacks aside, DFSG analysis is not at all > > about risk; it is about determining whether or not the license imposes > > non-free restrictions o

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/1/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Myself, I would no more redistribute a peer-to-peer client offered > under a license like BitTorrent's than I would play Russian Roulette > with a loaded Uzi. But YMMV. I suppose I should explain that. I may or may not have used one BitT

Re: Minimum required copyright/license for logo

2005-08-01 Thread Francesco Poli
[I resend this message since I *again* got struck by bug#302264: I apologize for forgetting to avoid lines beginning with "From "...] On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:56:44 +0200 (MEST) Eric Lavarde - Debian wrote: > Hi, > > for the FreeMind package, which I am maintaining as a non-DD, upstream > has plann

Re: BitTorrent Open Source License (Proposed Changes)

2005-08-01 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 8/1/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you believe that posting your life story to debian-legal qualifies > as "grounding in real-world law"? It qualifies as a reminder to anyone who's considering taking me seriously that they're doing so based on the arguments I raise and whate