Re: libdts patent issue?

2005-07-20 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On 7/19/05, Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's basically how patent law works in every area. You can > > publish the knowledge but not apply the knowledge to make, use > > or sell a working device or actual product. And a book that > > humans can rea

Re: libdts patent issue?

2005-07-20 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:10:10 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > More like, the expression in .obj is patented, but the expression > > in .PDF is not. Feel free to publish papers; don't distribute > > devices that execute the algorithm disclosed in those papers. > > And how

Re: MP3 decoder packaged with XMMS

2005-07-20 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/19/05, Monty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 04:05:59PM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > That's mighty cool. Can you say anything about the Mercora encoder's > > psycho-acoustic bits > > In fact, I can't say much about it (I know all about it but am under > NDA). Th

Re: generated source files, GPL and DFSG

2005-07-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IMHO, yes, as this is the widely accepted definition of "source > > code" (it is found in the GPL text, as you know) and DFSG#2 > > mandates the inclusion of source code. > > I'm not convinced that it's a w

Re: generated source files, GPL and DFSG

2005-07-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> I'm not convinced that it's a widely accepted definition of "source >> code". > > As of yet, no one has put forward a better definition of source code. > Until that time, the "prefered form for modification"

On the definition of source [Was: Re: generated source files, GPL and DFSG]

2005-07-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> I'm not convinced that it's a widely accepted definition of "source > >> code". > > > > As of yet, no one has put forward a better definition of source code.

Re: libdts patent issue?

2005-07-20 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Summary: I can still find no substantive difference between US and EPO law on software patentability. On 7/20/05, Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip good stuff] > For contributory infringement you need additional evidence. > Contributory infringement is knowingly selling or supply

Re: generated source files, GPL and DFSG

2005-07-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 07:01:51PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > "Anything that allows a form of practical modification consistent with > the functionality of the resulting work", or something along those > lines. Yes, it's horribly fuzzy, but it's a horribly fuzzy area. > "Preferred form of modi

Re: libdts patent issue?

2005-07-20 Thread MJ Ray
Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The problem is exactly the same: European patent law does not > > > exclude patents on mathematical methods, but only on mathematical > > > methods _as such_. Apparently t

Re: libdts patent issue?

2005-07-20 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 20 Jul 2005 23:14:28 GMT, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the EPO is an artefact of the EPC, it can't be "the people > who wrote that law" so why is EPO reinterpreting the EPC? > Is it actually known whether the drafters meant the claimed > "you can patent maths as part of a machine" view