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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Lewis Jardine wrote:
> /unless that component itself accompanies the executable/." (my emphasis)
>
> As I understand it, in a Debian distribution, anything that could
> qualify for the exception 'accompanies the executable' by virtue of
> being on the same CD/web server/etc. I
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 01:30:58AM +0100, Alexander Sack wrote:
> mozilla _wants_ us to make some changes to the thunderbird package in order
> to
> not infringe their trademarks.
We knew this was coming. The Mozilla mob wanted their stuff to be
treated as if it were non-modifiable even though th
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 12:49:04PM +, Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 01:30:58AM +0100, Alexander Sack wrote:
> > mozilla _wants_ us to make some changes to the thunderbird package in order
> > to
> > not infringe their trademarks.
>
> We knew this was co
OK, I think it is a good idea to post the full mail for reference purpose.
Gervase Markham wrote:
Alexander Sack wrote:
OK, please make a summary ASAP with the points that are needed, e.g. no
package must be called something with mozilla, etc. Please keep in mind that we
are about to release
Mike Hommey wrote:
Note that this name change requirement gets interesting to name
Mozilla...
Mozilla Thunderbird can be "Thunderbird for Debian" or "Debian
Thunderbird"
Mozilla Firefox can be "Firefox for Debian" or "Debian Firefox"
What can be Mozilla ? "for Debian" or "Debian" ?
I think they
We are not shipping any devices.
The plan is to provide some debs and to get them into main.
The project consists of software only. There are actually no intentions
to ship cdroms or anything else. You need to have a debian system
running.
regards
p.s. i am not subscribed to legal, so please cc
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 10:03:20PM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote:
> Note that this name change requirement gets interesting to name
> Mozilla...
> Mozilla Thunderbird can be "Thunderbird for Debian" or "Debian
> Thunderbird"
> Mozilla Firefox can be "Firefox for Debian" or "Debian Firefox"
> What can be
Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mike Hommey wrote:
>> Note that this name change requirement gets interesting to name
>> Mozilla...
>> Mozilla Thunderbird can be "Thunderbird for Debian" or "Debian
>> Thunderbird"
>> Mozilla Firefox can be "Firefox for Debian" or "Debian Firefox"
>> W
Juergen Lueters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> We are not shipping any devices.
> The plan is to provide some debs and to get them into main.
I'm not sure that makes a difference. The mark "Debian" is a
trademark of SPI. You'd like your software to be Free, so why not
avoid the trademarked name?
Brian Thomas Sniffen writes:
> Given the full message you posted,
>
> lightningbug - Mail client derived from Mozilla Thunderbird
> iceweasel - Web browser derived from Mozilla Firefox
> gojira - Web browser and mail suite derived from Mozilla
>
> And what's the problem? It's OK with the Mozill
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
lightningbug - Mail client derived from Mozilla Thunderbird
iceweasel - Web browser derived from Mozilla Firefox
gojira - Web browser and mail suite derived from Mozilla
I don't like lightningbug . A bug is a bug and most people don't like
bugs. tbird should sti
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
lightningbug - Mail client derived from Mozilla Thunderbird
iceweasel - Web browser derived from Mozilla Firefox
gojira - Web browser and mail suite derived from Mozilla
OK, my final name suggestions would be:
freebird - ...thunderbird
freefox - ... firefox
free
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> If the emulators were extended to be able to fetch some basic ROM images
> off the internet by themselves (eg via HTTP), could they go in main?
As an interesting additional point, this isn't just a hypothetical
scenario: the ZSNES emulator (in the Windows version, not yet
Andrew Suffield wrote:
Neither please. Debian packages should be easily modified by other
people, not just us. It doesn't achieve a great deal to replace their
trademark with our own.
OK, let's say I rename the package to 'somebird' and want to produce a good
package for debian. Should I us
Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> freebird - ...thunderbird
> freefox - ... firefox
> freezilla - ... mozilla
>
> Naming the packages like this would emphasize that we want to be free
> and not reigned by trademarks.
That's a really good idea. I'm not sure, but it looks from previous
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 10:15:05PM +0100, Alexander Sack wrote:
> Andrew Suffield wrote:
>
> >
> >Neither please. Debian packages should be easily modified by other
> >people, not just us. It doesn't achieve a great deal to replace their
> >trademark with our own.
> >
>
> OK, let's say I rename t
Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>> If the emulators were extended to be able to fetch some basic ROM images
>> off the internet by themselves (eg via HTTP), could they go in main?
>
> As an interesting additional point, this isn't just a hypothetical
> scenario:
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 04:21:00PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
> Frankly, I'd expect them to be pissed. They are trying to write free
> software, after all -- so the implication that the Debian versions are
> *really* Free and what Mozilla's distributing aren't is likely to be
> difficult t
Am Donnerstag, den 30.12.2004, 12:52 -0500 schrieb Brian Thomas Sniffen:
> Juergen Lueters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > We are not shipping any devices.
> > The plan is to provide some debs and to get them into main.
>
> I'm not sure that makes a difference. The mark "Debian" is a
> tradema
Hamish Moffatt dijo [Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 04:26:26PM +1100]:
> Yet the ICQ client is not useful without a component which is not in
> Debian and in fact is not freely available.
>
> If the emulators were extended to be able to fetch some basic ROM images
> off the internet by themselves (eg via H
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
That's a really good idea. I'm not sure, but it looks from previous
messages like you've been communicating with Mozilla Project people
about this. Can you get some of them to agree that these are not
confusingly similar names, to be very clear that they're not like
Andrew Suffield wrote:
They can't complain about trademarks if the file is the actual
unmodified upstream tarball: accuracy is an ultimate defence against
trademark claims. If it's been modified by removing stuff for
copyright reasons then you might have a problem, depending on how they
restrict
Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't want to negotiate on the names (again) unless we find a
> solution that has the backup from debian, from the current package
> maintainers (eric, takuo et al) and maybe from other free
> distributions. The last group is not accessible to me, sin
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 03:35:00PM +0100, Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Mike Hommey wrote:
> >Note that this name change requirement gets interesting to name
> >Mozilla...
> >Mozilla Thunderbird can be "Thunderbird for Debian" or "Debian
> >Thunderbird"
> >Mozilla Firefox can be "Fir
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 08:52:24PM +0100, Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote:
>
> >lightningbug - Mail client derived from Mozilla Thunderbird
> >iceweasel - Web browser derived from Mozilla Firefox
> >gojira - Web browser and mail suite derived from Mozilla
>
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