Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 " Debian Free Software Guidelines"-compliant?

2004-06-27 Thread Lewis Jardine
Evan Prodromou wrote: On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 17:23, Andrew Suffield wrote: Where You are located in the province of Quebec, Canada, the following clause applies: The parties hereby confirm that they have requested that this License and all related documents be drafted in English. Les parties o

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 " Debian Free Software Guidelines"-compliant?

2004-06-27 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:23:55 +0100 Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Choice of law clause. This is regarded as fine, IIRC. > > Under the proviso that the law chosen is not in itself an issue. Of course. Anyway I agree with you that it's better to state it explicitly... -- | GnuPG Key I

Free Linux Kernel

2004-06-27 Thread .jareeN.
Sorry if this is a really silly/of_topic question. I am a LFS user and I want to use free Linux kernel for my GNU/Linux system, by free I mean which is free from binaries and non-free code. Does such a kernel exists ? I mean some kind of patch. -- ``If only matrix was Free Software who n

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-06-23 19:12:41 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Stock objection to choice of venue clauses is that they force people >> to travel at their own expense. In essence they attempt to bypass the >> legal system by making it prohibitively expensive for some

Re: Summary Update: MPL inconclusive, clarifications needed

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Mahesh T. Pai wrote: > MJ Ray said on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:18:22PM +0100,: > > > If there are no active patents covering the software, > > Patent owners' policies may change. Patents are patents, actively > enforced or not. If the license does not grant a patent license in > respect

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 " Debian Free Software Guidelines"-compliant?

2004-06-27 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:08:11 +0100 Lewis Jardine wrote: > 1a: Does applying a 'choice of language' clause to everyone make a > license non-free (or is it acceptable the same way a 'choice of law' > clause is)? Perhaps it does not make a license non-free. > 1b: Is a 'choice of language' clause

Re: Draft Summary: MPL is not DFSG free

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Lex Spoon wrote: > Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > What do you mean? In order to gain the licenses GPL grants you, you >> > must comply with all of the terms. Some of those terms require that >> > you perform in some way, e.g. by distributing source code. >> >> Actually, as far

Re: Free Linux Kernel

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
.jareeN. wrote: > > Sorry if this is a really silly/of_topic question. It's not. > I am a LFS user and I want to use free Linux kernel for my GNU/Linux > system, by free I mean which is free from binaries and non-free code. > Does such a kernel exists ? > > I mean some kind of patch. At the

Re: scummvm dependent games: non-free?

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Fr, den 25.06.2004 schrieb Gerfried Fuchs um 12:11: >> 3) You may not charge a fee for the game itself. This includes >> reselling the game as an individual item. >> >> Doesn't this violate point 1 of the DFSG? > > AFAIK it is ok, as long as it is allowe

Re: Bug#254596: jftpgw: Several license problems

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Romain Francoise wrote: > Package: jftpgw > Version: 0.13.5-1 > Severity: serious > > The jftpgw package currently distributed in Debian has two license > problems: > > 1. The source contains a file named snprintf.c that doesn't contain any >copyright notice or license header. It appears to

Re: How long is it acceptable to leave *undistributable* files in the kernel package?

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Poole wrote: > Brian Thomas Sniffen writes: >> It's a unilateral license. It can't mean anything but what he intends >> it to mean. > > Reference, please? That is Alice in Wonderland logic ("Words mean > exactly what I want them to mean, neither more nor less."). I hope > that a lic

Re: gens License Check - Non-free

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael Poole wrote: > Raul Miller writes: > >> Because the linux kernel does not represent mere aggregation of one part >> of the kernel with some other part on some storage volume. >> >> It's not a coincidence that the parts of the kernel are there together. > > The usual contention is that ha

Re: RFC: moving from BSD to GPL

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > Is it possible for an upstream to change license from a BSD-old to GPL? > Consider the hypothesis that the product is a derivative work with a > few old contributors. I see no reasons to do not relicense after adding > a credits note as required in the BSD license.

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 " Debian Free Software Guidelines"-compliant?

2004-06-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 08:07:22AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > 9. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. TO THE EXTENT NOT PROHIBITED BY LAW, IN NO > > EVENT SHALL APPLE OR ANY CONTRIBUTOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY INCIDENTAL, > > SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING > > TO THIS L

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 " Debian Free Software Guidelines"-compliant?

2004-06-27 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 10:19:56PM -0400, Evan Prodromou wrote: > On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 17:23, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > > Where You are located in the province of Quebec, Canada, the following > > > > clause applies: The parties hereby confirm that they have requested > > > > that this Licen

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 " Debian Free Software Guidelines"-compliant?

2004-06-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Ryan Rasmussen wrote: > Is the following compliant with Debian's Free Software Guidelines? No. It seems pretty close, but there are a few deadly clauses. Gah, this is a lawyerly monstrosity > --- > APPLE PUBLIC SOURCE LICENSE

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 " Debian Free Software Guidelines"-compliant?

2004-06-27 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 09:04, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > Nah, this is just a reference to a particularly stupid tenet of their law. > > > > It's not "particularly stupid" to expect that, if you sign a contract, > > it should be in a language you understand. > > It's stupid that this clause has

Re: Apple's APSL 2.0 " Debian Free Software Guidelines"-compliant?

2004-06-27 Thread Josh Triplett
Francesco Poli wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:08:11 +0100 Lewis Jardine wrote: >>3: Does applying a Free term to a subset of people discriminate >>against them? > > I'm undecided about this. > > My first feeling is that it would still be a discrimination. > Why do some people get more rights jus

Re: Free Linux Kernel

2004-06-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 21:34, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I had been working on cleansing it, but have gotten depressed by the hostile > response from some of the Debian kernel maintainers and the dead silence > from upstream. >From memory, there's someone on lkml who has a "list" of the non-free bit