"Lex Spoon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > BUT, we are only obligated to the extent the case deals with our own
> > > actions. I do not see a problem with this. That seems good and proper
> > > to stand up for our own actions. The clause does *NOT* ma
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:21:27AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote:
> For "possible", that is, unsubstantioned license violation claims, yes.
Distributing a GPL binary linked against code whose source is not available
is a clear-cut violation of the terms of the GPL.
I don't think even existing practi
Thiemo Seufer wrote:
As I understand it, Debian makes a point of considering the interests of
'unrelated third part[ies]', especially when it comes to the chance of
copyright infringement.
So does Debian consider the interests of SCO then? They also claim
copyright infringement.
I'd hope so, i
Thank you all for your answers, I think I can get the point now.
> "GM" == Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
GM> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 11:03:32PM +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote:
>> The license of a Debian component may not restrict any party from
>> selling or giving away t
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:22:29 +1000, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 06:02:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> The former is fine, this merely reinstates the former release
>> policy. But wilfully distributing software that violates the
>> license it is shippe
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:49:52AM +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote:
> LJ> Section 3 (Copying in quantity): Forces to distribute
> LJ> transparent (source) along with the opaque (binary) form: forced
> LJ> distribution of goes against the spirit of the DFSG, altough not
> LJ> its letter.
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:20:10AM +0100, Lewis Jardine wrote:
> Thiemo Seufer wrote:
>
> >>As I understand it, Debian makes a point of considering the interests of
> >>'unrelated third part[ies]', especially when it comes to the chance of
> >>copyright infringement.
> >So does Debian consider t
* Glenn Maynard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:21:27AM +0200, Thiemo Seufer wrote:
> > For "possible", that is, unsubstantioned license violation claims, yes.
>
> Distributing a GPL binary linked against code whose source is not available
> is a clear-cut violation of the
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Stephen Frost wrote:
> Has anyone asked Linus what his feelings are regarding firmware?
Good idea. And two interesting posts related tot his issue:
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Stephen writes:
> In these cases of ambiguity it makes sense to me to ask the copyright
> holder to clarify for us instead of assuming that they're violating their
> own license.
Linus is only the copyright owner of those portions of the kernel that he
personally wrote. Each contributor owns the
Roland Stigge wrote:
> today I read that Alan Kay will receive this years's Turing Award[1] and
> checked out his "Open Source" project Squeak[2]. I also realized that
> there is an open RFP for it[3]. The package is supposed to be free, but
> when I checked the license[4] and the package files, I
Scripsit Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | "You may distribute and sublicense such Modified Software only under the
> | terms of a valid, binding license that makes no representations or
> | warranties on behalf of Apple, and is no less protective of Apple and
> | Apple's rights than this Lic
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 10:36:20AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> [I think I really should have sent this originally to -legal... feel
> free to send it back over there if you think it's more
> appropriate.[1]]
M-F-T (hopefully correctly) set.
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Michael Banck wrote:
> > I woul
Thiemo Seufer said on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:18:00AM +0200,:
> What exactly are these great benefits? I see diminished driver
> support and a lack of documentation, or alternatively non-free as a
> rather
That is what I used to think, till I realised that the prospect of a
large numbe
Branden Robinson said on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 05:45:39PM -0500,:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 07:29:57PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > To veer off the subject a little, we don't like licenses which
> > engage in too much contract-like behavior, because they're
> > usually non-free.
Måns Rullgård said on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:38:05PM +0200,:
> I asked a couple of days ago, but nobody replied. Does anyone know
> anything about the patent status of JPEG-2000? Is it safe to use
> it?
According to a post at groklaw, jpeg 2000 is not encumbered by this
patent. I am not s
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:04:13AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> Has anyone asked Linus what his feelings are regarding firmware? If he
> thinks it's acceptable (or possibly even the 'preferred form of
> modification') to have in Linux and that it's not violating the GPL then
> I don't think we h
> > > > I do not understand your issue about locality. The business in question
> > > > is us, Debian. We already have a distribution server at Berkeley, so we
> > > > already need to evaluate and comply with the laws of northern
> > > > California.
> > >
> > > The CD distributors are not part
* Glenn Maynard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I concur with the other responses: Linus is not the sole copyright holder.
>
> I'll also reiterate the other problem: even if we believe that the entire
> Linux kernel developer body agrees (which may be the case, though I doubt
> it), I'm sure there's
There's a piece of software called "acc" I'd like to package up and
possibly include in Debian (along with some other tools that complement
it, and are under seperate, DSFG-free licenses, so they're not an
issue), but the included licenses are problematic at best. I've attached
them below. The
Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I agree that this position --- and similar ones --- were voiced by
> several people. However, for the sake of completeness, it should be
> pointed out that:
>
> 1) None of the proponents of this position came up with a good
> definiti
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> However, debian-legal assumes that the GFDL with invariant sections is
>> non-free, and there seems to be a majority for a general rejection as
>> a free _software_ license (but the poll was worded quite carefully,
>> after the "software is documenta
Martin, it's great of you to do a summary. My thoughts included below.
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scripsit Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > | "You may distribute and sublicense such Modified Software only under the
> > | terms of a valid, binding license that makes no
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 05:41:23PM +0530, Mahesh T. Pai wrote:
> The GNU/GPL, OTOH, does not impose an obligation on *use*. Obviously,
> the FSF does not require it to be `accepted'. The policy of certain
> package installation software, (typically on non-free platforms)
> insisting on t
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:42:14PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> Certainly you can develop a case where it's not possible to get
> clarification on the license. That's not constructive or necessary imv.
If it's the case, then it's the case. "Inconvenient" does not imply
"false", whether we like
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 03:05:53PM -0600, Benjamin Cutler wrote:
> with Debian because of the first license, but I'm wondering if anybody
> has any advice on if this is the sort of issue that we could "dance
> around", though I'm guessing it's not. Barring that, is there any way of
I'm very sur
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 11:09:39PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > 2) None of the proponents of this position came up with good
> >reasons why the freedoms we consider so important for software
> >don't apply to documentation.
>
> Well, there are many reasons, but you probably
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 11:15:33PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> You asked for DFSG compatibility, which doesn't tell us if it's a free
> documentation license. I still believe that the survey was very
> suggestive. It wasn't your intention, but simply the result of your
> belief that documentat
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:15:09PM -0400, debian-legal@lists.debian.org wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 11:15:33PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > You asked for DFSG compatibility, whi
Lewis Jardine wrote:
> Thiemo Seufer wrote:
>
> >>As I understand it, Debian makes a point of considering the interests of
> >>'unrelated third part[ies]', especially when it comes to the chance of
> >>copyright infringement.
> >So does Debian consider the interests of SCO then? They also claim
Glenn Maynard wrote:
This is why I became interested in understanding licenses to begin with:
so I can make reasonable evaluations of them before spending time coding.
It doesn't look like either of the two licenses are redistributable, even
in non-free. Neither gives permission to redistribu
On 2004-04-28 22:15:33 +0100 Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You asked for DFSG compatibility, which doesn't tell us if it's a free
documentation license.
That seems mostly irrelevant to whether it is a free
software/DFSG-free licence.
* Glenn Maynard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:42:14PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > Certainly you can develop a case where it's not possible to get
> > clarification on the license. That's not constructive or necessary imv.
>
> If it's the case, then it's the case. "I
"Lex Spoon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I do not understand your issue about locality. The business in
> > > > > question
> > > > > is us, Debian. We already have a distribution server at Berkeley, so
> > > > > we
> > > > > already need to evaluate and comply with the laws of northe
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:46:48PM -0600, Benjamin Cutler wrote:
> Well, I didn't do the mods myself, so it's not really any work lost on
> my part. Do you think attempting to contact Activision would be any help
> at all?
I have no idea. If you do, you should probably seek advice from the
list
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:34:40PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> If we make a reasonable attempt to get clarification on the license the
> kernel is distributed under from the *source* of the kernel tarballs
> that we use then that should mitigate the risk. No, it won't remove all
> risk like gett
* Glenn Maynard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> "We can't reasonably get permission to do this" does *not* mean "therefore
> let's just assume we have it". Debian makes a strong effort not to be
> that sloppy and careless with licensing.
We're making a strong effort to paint ourselves into a corner
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 10:51:32PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> We're making a strong effort to paint ourselves into a corner we can't
> get out of. We *need* a clarification. This assumption of the worst
> possible isn't acceptable or even reasonable. Given that we need a
> clarification the b
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