OpenPBS/Torque license conclusion?

2004-03-12 Thread Roberto Gordo Saez
>From the threads >http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/debian-legal-200402/msg00108.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/debian-legal-200403/msg00208.html, i think that the license for Torque and OpenPBS are not acceptable, because there is not consensus and people complained f

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: >> Perhaps [Bruce Perens] has a turing-complete compost heap as well? > > Way, way, OT, but it's pretty hard not to have a compost machine that > does not contain universal turing machines.[1] (Hint: Think bacte

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:17:25AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: >> My fear is that, as Don seems to be showing, people will oversimplify >> and miss the limitations. Getting people to think in terms of >> "modification" instead of "DFSG 3" seems useful.

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Humberto Massa
Chris Waters wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 10:17:25AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: My fear is that, as Don seems to be showing, people will oversimplify and miss the limitations. Getting people to think in terms of "modification" instead of "DFSG 3" seems useful. Hmm, I think I missed th

Debian-legal summary of the OPL

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Debian-legal has concluded that the OPL (Open Publication License) v1.0 is not a DFSG-free license. - It requires the original publisher and author to appear on all outer surfaces of a paper copy, and defines how they should appear. This is a significant restriction on modification (DFSG ยง3)

Guidelines for writing d-l summaries (draft, still)

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
I'm going to continue to label this a draft, since this includes a couple of new changes. But I think everything here is fairly well accepted. 1) Draft summaries should clearly be marked. After a suitable delay without serious objections, a version without the "DRAFT" marking can be poste

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Humberto Massa said on Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:17:25AM -0300,: > I Disagree. If it's to be a reference, then cross-references get to > be more and more important. So, to *properly* cross-reference the > summary with the DFSG, a small note like (Viol DFSG #2, maybe #4) > is a nice thing. E

Re: Guidelines for writing d-l summaries (draft, still)

2004-03-12 Thread Humberto Massa
First of all, great job. Jeremy Hankins wrote: I'm going to continue to label this a draft, since this includes a couple of new changes. But I think everything here is fairly well accepted. yay. skip 7) The full text of the license is included at the end. And possibly, annontations?

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Humberto Massa
Mahesh T. Pai wrote: Essence of writing a good opinion is that we need to convey the same message we have in mind. The proof of this conclusion is that I did not understand what you had in mind when you wrote the rest of this message. :-) You simply cannot predefine how you are going to

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Just because a single section of the DFSG fails to enclose all of > > the problems of a license doesn't mean that a a license does not > > violate a section of the DFSG. > > But my point is that it does more

Re: Referencing the DFSG [Re: DRAFT summary of the OPL; feedback requested]

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Jeremy Hankins wrote: >> But my point is that it does more than just leave something out. >> It's orthogonal. You're saying that knowing the section of the DFSG >> provides some, but not all, information about why we decided the >>

Re: Guidelines for writing d-l summaries (draft, still)

2004-03-12 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Humberto Massa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > First of all, great job. Thanks! >> 7) The full text of the license is included at the end. > > And possibly, annontations? Clearly separated from the full text of > the license? Like what? This isn't really supposed to be a full analysis, just a su