Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> OK, say I use the X11 license. Now suppose someone installs a closed > >> source plugin. Suppose it also happens that this same user has > >> installed some GPL plugin. Both plugins would be allowed separately, > >> right?

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Arnoud Engelfriet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> OK, say I use the X11 license. Now suppose someone installs a closed >> >> source plugin. Suppose it also happens that this same user has >> >> installed some GPL plugin. Both plugins would be allowed separately, >> >> right? When the user ru

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 05:02:11AM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> OK, say I use the X11 license. Now suppose someone installs a closed > >> source plugin. Suppose it also happens that this same user has > >> installed some GPL plugin. Both plugi

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> How's that? The GPL allows distribution together with non-GPL works, >> as long as the non-GPL things are not derived from anything GPL'd. In >> my opinion, placing two shared objects in the same tar file doesn't >> make one a derived work of the ot

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 04:49:45PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> How's that? The GPL allows distribution together with non-GPL works, > >> as long as the non-GPL things are not derived from anything GPL'd. In > >> my opinion, placing two shared ob

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > This now gets into the hazy realm where it's best not to go - a court >> > could decide either way. > >> > The argument is, approximately, that by shipping the whole lot >> > together you are creating a derived work that violates at least once >> > o

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> > This now gets into the hazy realm where it's best not to go - a court >>> > could decide either way. >> >>> > The argument is, approximately, that by shipping the whole lot >>> > together you are creatin

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003, Måns Rullgård wrote: > If I write a program and release it under some non-GPL licencse, and > *later* someone writes a plugin and releases it under the GPL, how > can the program possibly become a derived work of that plugin? No, the program itself doesn't, but the work plugi

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If I write a program and release it under some non-GPL licencse, and >> *later* someone writes a plugin and releases it under the GPL, how >> can the program possibly become a derived work of that plugin? > > No, the program itself doesn't, but the work

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003, Måns Rullgård wrote: > Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > No, the program itself doesn't, but the work plugin+program does. > > The derived work will never be distributed, and is thus permitted by > the above paragraph. We're obviously talking about distribution, a

Re: Binaries under GPL(2)

2003-12-06 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
4-Dec-03 20:44 Walter Landry wrote: > Alexander Cherepanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 30-Nov-03 16:37 Don Armstrong wrote: >> > If you read section 2 this way, then there is no need for a section 3 >> > at all. >> >> And that (together with the intention of the license expressed in >> Preamble)