Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-03 Thread Nick Phillips
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 09:50:13PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > i am going to try to take a stab at it: > > hardware: physical computing devices > software: logical information stored by hardware devices that can be > used for computation. > this allows us to break software into three (o

Re: perl modules' default licence

2003-08-03 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 05:44:19PM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I sometimes read in Debian Weekly News about discussions on debian-legal > > about problems with packaging perl modules for Debian because of the > > vagueness of the licens

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-03 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Nick Phillips wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 09:50:13PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: %< snip of definitions >% > Pretty good. I would have tried to phrase it slightly differently, but you > have hit the nail on the head. > > If it's represented essentially as a sequence of 1s and 0s in a

Re: msession copyright

2003-08-03 Thread Joerg Wendland
Jakob Bohm, on 2003-08-02, 14:52, you wrote: > Glad to help out Matthew Palmer, on 2003-08-03, 10:06, you wrote: > In short, I see nothing DFSG-non-free in the licence. Thank you both for your views, Joerg -- Joerg "joergland" Wendland GPG: 51CF8417 FP: 79C0 7671 AFC7 315E 657A F318 57A3 7FB

Re: perl modules' default licence

2003-08-03 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Jakob Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or >modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. Either Perl >version 5.8.3 or, at your option, any later version you may >have available. The GPL refers to the GPL "as published by the

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-03 Thread Tore Anderson
* Tore Anderson >I would like to have the list members' opinion on the following > license, which is about to be applied to the data files of an > old adventure game: > > ~~~ > Preamble: >Basically, give this game away, share it with your friends. > Don't remove this Readme, or

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in our approach)

2003-08-03 Thread Claus Färber
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > I'd gather that most of -legal isn't worried about the copyright > statement, license, or author's statement (which is the same thing as > the copyright statement) being immutable. Most of those can't be > modified under the applicable copyright la

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in our approach)

2003-08-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote: > I'd gather that most of -legal isn't worried about the copyright > statement, license, or author's statement (which is the same thing as > the copyright statement) being immutable. Most of those can't be > modified under the applicable copyright l

Re: perl modules' default licence

2003-08-03 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 01:33:44PM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Jakob Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or > >modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. Either Perl > >version 5.8.3 or, at your option, any later versi

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
John Goerzen wrote: > 1. Would removing the manual for Emacs, libc, or other important GNU >software benefit our users? Yep. I'm very unhappy with having non-free software (and software means 0s and 1s -- so nearly everything Debian distributes except the physical CDs) in Debian; as a user

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in our approach)

2003-08-03 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 11:36, Claus Färber wrote: > Of course, someone can add another invariant section to the manual. But > this is actually a licence change, possibly making the new version of > the manual non-free (although it still uses the GFDL as a template for > its licence). This prob

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-03 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 08:05, Tore Anderson wrote: > As a few has pointed out, this does not allow for modifying and > redistributing modified versions. I believe the only chance I have > to make the copyright holder accept such a clause, would be through > making it pass DFSG clause 4. > >

Re: License evaluation sought

2003-08-03 Thread Tore Anderson
* Joe Wreschnig > DFSG #4 only applies to source code; is there a concept of a > "binary" for this game? If so, it won't pass #4 unless modified > binaries may be distributed. No, this is the 'source code', at least in the way the GPL defines it (preferred form of modification). You can t

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-03 Thread Jakob Bohm
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 01:24:03PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:50:13 -0700, John H Robinson, IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:38:43 -0700, John H Robinson, IV > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> > >> > as a mostly

Re: Should our documentation be free? (Was Re: Inconsistencies in our approach)

2003-08-03 Thread MJ Ray
Sergey V. Spiridonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about ...not cutting out all the definition alternatives that don't support your position?

a minimal copyleft

2003-08-03 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
The following has little to do with Debian, but it is related to how documentation should be licensed, which was discussed here recently. I was recently asked to suggest a licence for some course material (explanations, exercises, etc) that would allow people to adapt and reuse the material and to

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-03 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jakob Bohm wrote: > Here is my classification, which handles this better: > > A piece of information, whether in analog, digital or other > form, is a program if it is intended to directly control the > actions of a computer, other than by simply holding a pure > de