Re: [OT] Droit d'auteur vs. free software?

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 04:08:33PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > What about Marcel Duchamp? Dammit, stop ignoring the question! For > Duchamp, "violating" the Mona Lisa was an integral part of the > artistic statement being made. Does that not count? Address the > case. So far it merely

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:49:03PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > I think it's an interesting case to consider because of the question of > > > whether an interface is copyrightable, but I think that discussion is > > > best left for another thread. In any case, I believe the "generic > > > in

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 04:39:30PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 02:35:05PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > > > > I wonder how the arguments I pointed to came into being, then, if I > > > did not construct them. > > > Whi

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread MJ Ray
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] We also > disagree about Debian's practice of distributing and recommending > non-free software. I'm sorry, but can you justify this statement, please? For part of Debian to recommend non-free software is a breach of policy, which says that Deb

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread MJ Ray
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your message repeated over and over that you think the GFDL isn't > free, but didn't even try to justify that claim. I continue to > believe that the GNU FDL is a free documentation license. This is not the question. Do you believe that the GNU FDL is

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 09:21:13PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > I would point out that the FSF has rewritten its views as well. For > example, I protested that the FSF's acceptance of invariant sections > contradicted its own reasing in the "why free manuals are important" > document; the

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 09:53:25PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > The GNU FDL does many other things, but you raised the issue of > invariant sections, so my response focused on that issue. Just so you know, the Debian Project is also concerned about: 1) Cover Texts[1] 2) Acknowledgements and D

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 09:53:27PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Is the FSF willing to dual-license manuals that previously had no > invariant sections at all, such as _Debugging with GDB_, under the GNU > FDL and the traditional GNU documentation license simultaneously? > > I don't

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
RMS, There are a few questions from previous mails that I consider important, which you elided from your replies. I am intensely interested in your answers to these questions, and I would greatly appreciate it if you could take some time to answer them. Your answers to my other questions have be

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 02:32:25AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Well, all right, but this makes it more difficult for me to dismiss > substantive objections from dismissive or belittling remarks. Err, s/to dismiss/to distingush/ I apologize for the error. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 07:29:46AM -, MJ Ray wrote: > Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] We also > > disagree about Debian's practice of distributing and recommending > > non-free software. > > I'm sorry, but can you justify this statement, please? That we distribute it is

Re: Is this license DFSG-free, part 2 - Word from upstream

2003-05-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 11:45:36AM +1200, Adam Warner wrote: > Note that relicensing software under a different licence that you have > merely repackaged is not considered good form. It's not just bad form. It's not even valid if one has not made any original contributions to the work. Matthew B

Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long)

2003-05-21 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:54:36AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > You raised one point that I am concerned about: > > * Debugging with GDB; "GDB version 5 May 2000"[1] > [1] This manual is an interesting case because it started out with no > invariant sections at all, but later ad

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-21 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:59:36AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Good. Then perhaps you'll agree that saying "This is licensed under the > GPL with the additional restriction that" is an invalid statement, > because such a thing is not licensed under the GPL at all. I think that you've mispar

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-21 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > As I said before: when the GNU GPL says "this License" and "herein", > > these terms are not variables. They are constants. They always and > > forever will refer to the terms and conditions laid out within the same > > document. Perhaps GPLv3 should solve

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-21 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 05:15, Branden Robinson wrote: > I am uncomfortable with some of the ramifications but I am also > uncomfortable with totally declawing the GNU GPL by adopting and > interpretation of it that would let people wrapper and language-bind > their way out of the copyleft commons.

Re: Bug#189164: libdbd-mysql-perl uses GPL lib, may be used by GPL-incompatible apps

2003-05-21 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 05:15, Branden Robinson wrote: > >> I am uncomfortable with some of the ramifications but I am also >> uncomfortable with totally declawing the GNU GPL by adopting and >> interpretation of it that would let people wrapper and l

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 21 May 2003, Nick Phillips wrote: > Now what are you going to do with the overriding requirement that you > can't do baz? Let's see... > > The result looks EXACTLY like: > > Copyright 2003 Joe Blow. > >TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUTION AND MODIFICATION > >1) You

Removal of non-free (was Re: The debate on Invariant sections (long))

2003-05-21 Thread Simon Law
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 09:53:25PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > I hope Debian won't adopt your views, but if it does, it won't be the > first disagreement between Debian and the FSF. Debian wrote its own > definition of free software which is different from ours. We also > disagree about Debi