Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-09 Thread James Miller
[Disclaimer: The below are statements of general law. If you need legal advice, see an attorney. I am licensed to practice in the District of Columbia and no other jurisdiction.] IAAL Interesting thread, I'm going to step through a few points that caught my eye--hope they may be useful clarific

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the FDL

2003-05-09 Thread Adam Warner
Hello James Miller, > I think I had compiled a user friendly index comparing some various > jurisdictions a couple years ago I could dig up if it's useful to you > guys. I have also been following this discussion with interest. I'm attempting to understand the copyright laws of the various jurisd

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-05-09 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Anthony Towns writes: > On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:09:03AM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: >> Anthony Towns writes: >> > DFSG-free means that it can be included in Debian, maintained by our >> > maintainers and used by our users. >> Now you're being silly. Surely you're not proposing that as an >>

Re: motion to take action on the unhappy GNU FDL issue

2003-05-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:36:28PM -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote: > I pulled it out of my files and reread it; the FSF's side of the > agreement is a lot weaker than I remembered. The actual text is [...] > Not one word about redistribution of modifications. I don't think > I have a leg to stand on

Re: A funny game

2003-05-09 Thread Debian Press Team
Thank you for your interest in the Debian Project! Due to the fact that we receive a lot of similar requests, we were forced to set up an automatic reply mechanism to reduce our workload and to actually be able to answer real requests again. It would simply cost us too much time to answer each ma

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-05-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 07:34:26PM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > "Substantial modifications are permitted, and may be distributed, at > > which point the modifier must either pay to ABC Software Inc the sum > > of USD 1,000 for each occurren

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:20:33AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:14:30AM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > > Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 04:53:03PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > > > > Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PRO

Re: Questioning the Public Domain'ness of certain data

2003-05-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 04:00:43PM -0500, Elizabeth Barham wrote: >But, however, I have not had seen anything in writing specifically > stating that the data is public domain and I received no reply when I > asked them the license of the data via the email address on the > above-cited webpage.

non-enforcability of the BSD advertising clause

2003-05-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 09:40:46PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 20:17, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > They are also not enforceable in the US. > > Can you please provide a citation for this? I've never been able to come > up with one. I found one case that *might*

Re: Questioning the Public Domain'ness of certain data

2003-05-09 Thread Elizabeth Barham
Branden writes: > United States Code, Title 17, Chapter 1: [ ...] > If you have good reason to believe that the data in question was > prepared by the U.S. government, then the material cannot be > copyrighted. > > If you do make such a determination, I would go ahead and target the > package

Re: non-enforcability of the BSD advertising clause

2003-05-09 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 11:43:52AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > (a) [...] Commercial speech that is not false or deceptive and does not > concern unlawful activities may be restricted only in the service of a > substantial governmental interest, and only through means that directly > advance th

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 20:17, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > They are also not enforceable in the US. > > Can you please provide a citation for this? I've never been able to come > up with one. This is what I know from Eben Moglen; I would ask

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-09 Thread Greg Pomerantz
> > > They are also not enforceable in the US. > > > > Can you please provide a citation for this? I've never been able to come > > up with one. > > This is what I know from Eben Moglen; I would ask him if he can give > you more exact citations. Also maybe look at the briefs that AT&T > filed in

Re: non-enforcability of the BSD advertising clause

2003-05-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 02:25:38PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 11:43:52AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > (a) [...] Commercial speech that is not false or deceptive and does not > > concern unlawful activities may be restricted only in the service of a > > substantial go

Re: A funny game

2003-05-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 10:19:45AM -0500, Debian Press Team wrote: > Thank you for your interest in the Debian Project! Debian Press Team, Please don't spam the Debian Legal Team. Thanks! -- G. Branden Robinson| The only way to get rid of a Debian GNU/Linux

Re: PHP-Nuke License Conclusion?

2003-05-09 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 11:17:40AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00294.html > > While I agree with that post in general, I don't think it's germane to > the case of PHP-Nuke. The PHP-Nuke author claims that the requirement > to d

Re: various opinions on Debian vs the GFDL

2003-05-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:30:15AM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > > > All the XML scores in the world will not allow me to > > > recreate a particular sound recording (made with real live musicians, > > > in the case it contains music). Therefore, an XML score is not > > > source. > > All the C co

Re: LPPL and non-discrimination

2003-05-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 07:02:18AM -0400, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > I would be interested in an answer to the question in my last message, > namely how to distinguish between this ABC-DFL and licenses that > require other sorts of consideration before modification. The issue is what it costs you,

Re: GFDL Freeness and Cover Texts

2003-05-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Greg Pomerantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > They are also not enforceable in the US. > > > > > > Can you please provide a citation for this? I've never been able to come > > > up with one. > > > > This is what I know from Eben Moglen; I would ask him if he can give > > you more exact cita

Re: non-enforcability of the BSD advertising clause

2003-05-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would not be surprised to have a court hold that "restricted" in this > instance applies solely to government restrictions, and that contractual > restrictions (such as agreeing to a license) are still permissible, since > nobody forced the company to a

Re: non-enforcability of the BSD advertising clause

2003-05-09 Thread Greg Pomerantz
> In other words, under the logic of the BSD advertising clause, the > Regents of University of California could also compel the inclusion > of certain language in advertising flyers distributed by bookstores, > the Book-of-the-Month Club, and so forth, since the University of > California also has