Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
Hi, [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After the check, i've some doubts about the license: Quoting debian/copyright: IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by Michael Sandrof. You have the right to copy, compile, and maintain this software.

Re: The Show So Far

2003-03-14 Thread Joe Moore
Steve Langasek said: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:55:44PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: >> The argument is that "//rmi.bar.com/Bar" is a GPL'd program, and this >> java application (under whatever license; say BSD) makes use of it. > >> Now, it seems clear that this application is, in fact, linking t

Re: OSD && DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!

2003-03-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 05:05 AM, Anthony Towns wrote: Giving away CDs at tradeshows that don't include source comes under 3(b). I suppose you could arrange to give everyone both binary and source CDs, then ask them to give the latter back to you. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl- faq.

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Simon Law
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > Hi, > > [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] > > I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After > the check, i've some doubts about the license: > > Quoting debian/copyright: > > IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by

Forced publication requirement and import/export restrictions

2003-03-14 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
Hi! Here is some combination of the Chinese Dissident and Fred the Lawyer tests. Consider the following situation. There is a program written in Europe. Someone in USA (say, Fred the USA dissident:-) takes this program and incorporates some form of encryption which is illegal to export from USA.

Re: The Show So Far

2003-03-14 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 13 March 2003 03:45 pm, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >> I don't think it's a horror story at all. Have you been paying >> attention to my recent posts? > > Well, actually I guess I got kind of muddled. I did notice since > then that you appea

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 12:46, Simon Law wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > [..] > > Reading the source (source/irc.c): > > [...] > > * Written By Michael Sandrof > > * Copyright(c) 1990 > > * See the COPYRIGHT file, or do a HELP IRCII COPYRIGHT > > [...]

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After > the check, i've some doubts about the license: http://lwn.net/1998/0611/ircii.html Michael Sandrof, Troy Rollo, and Matthew Green are putting the ircII code un

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Simon Law
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > Hi, > > [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] > > I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After > the check, i've some doubts about the license: > > Quoting debian/copyright: > > IRC II is copyright (c) 1990 by

Re: Bug#184670: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread James Troup
Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It doesn't appear that we have the right to redistribute the > Sandrof code. [...] > I highly recommend that you file a bug requesting the removal of > this package. No. Check the other ircii-based packages; Michael retro-actively re-licensed

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:26, Simon Law wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > Hi, > > > > [Send Cc: to me, i'm not subscribed] > > > > I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After > > the check, i've some doubts about the license: > > >

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:31, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After > > the check, i've some doubts about the license: > > http://lwn.net/1998/0611/ircii.html > > Michael Sandro

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Simon Law
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:53:53PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:31, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > > I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it now.After > > > the check, i've some doubts about the

Re: Is epic package non-free?

2003-03-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 15:17, Simon Law wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:53:53PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:31, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:15:23AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > > > I was checking the epic package, because i've ITA on it

Re: PHPNuke license

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:01:35PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, David Turner wrote: > > Actually, there was copying, but not distribution, as I recall. > > The articles in question were circulated throughout the company so > they could be copied by employees. [Hence the inter

Re: the FSF's definition of Free Software and its value for Debian

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 09:55:14PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Oops, I confused myself. This phrase "all third parties that receive > > copies indirectly through the recipient" is still there. > > Could you state again what problem you have wi

Re: Should the ASP loophole be fixed? (Re: The Affero license)

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:15:26AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > David Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 4. Fundamental rights include the right to deny to *non-users* of the > > software, access to the source code for the software > > No, this misstates my position. Possessors of the

Re: Should the ASP loophole be fixed? (Re: The Affero license)

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 07:04:12PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 05:47:44PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > 1. requiring that modified source be distributed as patches+original > > > (so, no public CVS, since cvs co gives fully-merged source). > > We have a genera

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure

2003-03-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now, what if I played it through my web server? I don't give you > the DVD and I don't let you access the menu directly, so I am not > distributing the work through the web, I'm just playing a video > using some streaming video format. Now that is clea

Re: Should the ASP loophole be fixed? (Re: The Affero license)

2003-03-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:15:26AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > David Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 4. Fundamental rights include the right to deny to *non-users* of the > > > software, access to the source code for the software >

QPL clause 3 is not DFSG-free

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:07:41AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 12:03:59PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Ok, I think you're right. That means the QPL is not actually a > > > problem, even if you object t

Re: The ASP nightmare: a description (was Re: OSD && DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 07:45:36PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > If anyone had claimed such any kind of distribution > in this area some years ago, I'd taken it for a good joke[1]. [...] > [1] compareable to a cat /bin/clear on a Solaris of the right version. I presume this was like Solaris's /

Re: GPLv3 / Affero / RPSL

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 08:48:13PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > I think we have two sorts of free licenses. One set, which includes BSD > and GPL licenses, which basically give users and authors the same rights; > and the other set, which includes the QPL and licenses with patch clauses, > which g

Re: OCAML QPL Issue

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 12:16:42AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > Dual-licensing under the GPL and QPL appeared to be good enough for > > Trolltech, so presumably the same reasoning that they used when > > making that decision will be persuasive to other users of the QPL. > > The licensing of t

Re: Considering packaging T.Rex firewall, is it free?

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 09:17:39PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > HOWEVER, I find it worrying that the legal venue is stated as > > | This license is governed by the Laws of the State of Texas and any > | disputes shall be decided by mediation. > > Does this mean that the user has to submit to s

Re: Dual licensed software

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:31:08PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:11:39PM -0500, Luis Bustamante wrote: > > > QPL is DFSG-free iirc, can JpGraph go in main despite the fact it can > > > be used also under the terms of

Bug#184806: Copyright notices are lacking

2003-03-14 Thread Simon Law
Package: whois Version: 4.6.2 Severity: serious Tags: patch The copyright notices on the whois sources are not sufficient. Neither is the debian/copyright file. Since the maintainer is also the upstream author, I presume that he actually _does_ want to license whois under the GNU GPL. I have pr

Re: The ASP nightmare: a description (was Re: OSD && DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-14 Thread Michael Schultheiss
Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 07:45:36PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > If anyone had claimed such any kind of distribution > > in this area some years ago, I'd taken it for a good joke[1]. > [...] > > [1] compareable to a cat /bin/clear on a Solaris of the right version. >

Re: The Show So Far

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:54:42AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Seriously, you're welcome to hate the clause all you like; there are > people out there who hate BSD licensing and others who hate GPL licensing. > You do need something stronger than a firm opinion and a lot of repetition > to declar

Re: GPLv3 / Affero / RPSL

2003-03-14 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 03:41:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > authors special consideration. Furthermore, I think the most effective > way -- perhaps the *only* effective way for our "deprecation" of such > licenses to be more than just lip service is to reject them as violating > the "spiri

Re: ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:08:10PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > Here's the continuum I see: > > a) Joe opens a business "Joe's Typesetting Service". His customer brings > in handrwitten pages, Joe uses GPL software (some of which he's modified > to fit his work patterns) to enter, typeset, and print

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 08:09:03PM -0500, David Turner wrote: > Copyright (c) > > Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a > copy of this software and associated documentation files (the > "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including > withou

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 08:37:11PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Terry Hancock wrote: > > Is there a *standard* boilerplate for a "BSD-type" or say "maximally > > free" non-copyleft license (if BSD doesn't cut it). > > You're looking for the Modified BSD or so called, 3-clause

Re: The Show So Far

2003-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 04:17:42PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 10:54:42AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Seriously, you're welcome to hate the clause all you like; there are > > people out there who hate BSD licensing and others who hate GPL licensing. > > You do need

Re: ASP loophole - where is the line

2003-03-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:08:10PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > The challenges: > In which cases should Joe be forced to give his program to his customer? IMO none of them: distributing software to customers is too significant a technical burden over and above presenting the output of software to cus

Re: Standard non-copyleft free license?

2003-03-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > I think Dave's recommendation of the MIT/X11 license, though he > didn't call it by that name, is preferable, because it sticks closer > to the legal scope of copyright law. Could be. They're slightly different of course, and I'm not well equiped to a