Re: forbidding later version of GPL for xsoldier

2002-06-10 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:04:21AM -0600, John Galt wrote: > >Unless you own the copyright the GPL does not give you permission to > >relicense. > >Stating that you may only use the GPLv2 changes the current license and is > >just > >as forbidden as deciding you want to re-release it as BSD licen

#144984

2002-06-10 Thread Colin Walters
What do people think about the status of #144984? My first thought was to agree with the submitter that it's non-free. On the other hand, the GPL says: You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee

Re: forbidding later version of GPL for xsoldier

2002-06-10 Thread John Galt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Glenn Maynard wrote: >On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:04:21AM -0600, John Galt wrote: >> >Unless you own the copyright the GPL does not give you permission to >> >relicense. >> >Stating that you may only use the GPLv2 changes the curr

Re: forbidding later version of GPL for xsoldier

2002-06-10 Thread starner
>The reason is always the same: trust no one. A change by the FSF to the GPL is more likely to close a loophole than open one. Honestly, if you trust no one, I don't see why you're releasing the code; large parts of the world live under legal systems that don't care about your copyright, either i

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 02:23:21AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > What do people think about the status of #144984? My first thought was > to agree with the submitter that it's non-free. On the other hand, the > GPL says: > You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and >

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What do people think about the status of #144984? My first thought was > to agree with the submitter that it's non-free. I agree, too. (Just for the record, the bug reads: | The htp Copyright in contained in the Distribution section of file | usr/sha

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:04:40AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > DFSG requires that distributors be free to charge MORE than just > 'material costs'; they must also be free to sell CDs at a profit. Yes, > this license fails the DFSG. No, the DFSG doesn't require that. The DFSG says: "The licen

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread M. Drew Streib
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 11:34:05AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > A license which forbade selling the software by itself, but permitted > selling it in aggregate with other software, would abide by the letter > of the DFSG. Of course, in the real world no one licenses software this > way because

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 11:34:05AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:04:40AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > > DFSG requires that distributors be free to charge MORE than just > > 'material costs'; they must also be free to sell CDs at a profit. Yes, > > this license fails

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 11:34:05AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > A license which forbade selling the software by itself, but permitted > selling it in aggregate with other software, would abide by the letter > of the DFSG. Of course, in the real world no one licenses software this > way becaus

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:56:00PM +0200, Ralf Treinen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 11:34:05AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > A license which forbade selling the software by itself, but permitted > > selling it in aggregate with other software, would abide by the letter > > of the DFSG.

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 01:37:39PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > The one-sentence quote in the bug report doesn't give me enough > information to substantiate this assertion, but if you're right, then I > would say that the software is not DFSG-free. Here is the complete section of the html do

Re: #144984

2002-06-10 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 08:51:11PM +0200, Ralf Treinen wrote: > Here is the complete section of the html documentation concerning > licence (/usr/share/htp/ref/intro.htm): > > Distribution > > htp is a public domain utility. [followed by copyright license terms] This person is deeply confus

Re: forbidding later version of GPL for xsoldier

2002-06-10 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 01:08:25AM -0600, John Galt wrote: > >Um, he's saying that if a program says "you may use version 2 or later", you > >can't change that to "you must use version 2", except in your own code, > >since that's changing the license. > > Um, then what's the point of clause 9 at a