GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Simon Law
Hi guys, My work with Renaud and the Nessus team has led me to be more sensitive to the OpenSSL situation. (Unfortunately, we still don't have a resolution yet.) This is why my eyebrows raised when I looked at snort and found that it had the same problem! We distributed snort-mysql link

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 08:11, Simon Law wrote: > I decided to take a look at what Reverse Depends on OpenSSL: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/snort-1.8.6$ apt-cache showpkg libssl0.9.6 | grep > '^ ' | wc -l > 165 > > These 165 packages include such GPLed software as: nessus, > snort, wget-s

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Simon Law
On 29 May 2002, Jeff Licquia wrote: > On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 08:11, Simon Law wrote: > > I decided to take a look at what Reverse Depends on OpenSSL: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/snort-1.8.6$ apt-cache showpkg libssl0.9.6 | grep > > '^ ' | wc -l > > 165 > > > > These 165 packages incl

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 01:17:42PM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > On 29 May 2002, Jeff Licquia wrote: > > On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 08:11, Simon Law wrote: > > > I decided to take a look at what Reverse Depends on OpenSSL: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/snort-1.8.6$ apt-cache showpkg libssl0.9.6 | grep > >

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > One "solution" to the problem, assuming that most of the violations are > > > in non-us, would be to not generate ISOs with non-us on them. This is > > > practical now that crypto-in-main is done. At least in theory, then, > > > OpenSSL (which is in main

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 12:17, Simon Law wrote: > On 29 May 2002, Jeff Licquia wrote: > > Out of curiosity, do you have non-us in your sources.list? It would be > > interesting to find out how much of that software is really in main. > > Yes, I do have non-us in my list. Removing it narrow o

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 13:01, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > In the legal world, wording makes all the difference. The GPL > > specifically talks about code that's distributed *with* the GPLed > > binary, not about code distributed *by the same people as* the

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Simon Law
On 29 May 2002, Jeff Licquia wrote: > On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 13:01, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > In the legal world, wording makes all the difference. The GPL > > > specifically talks about code that's distributed *with* the GPLed > > > binary, not abou

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > libssl0.9.6 is a standard library in main, so I guess it could > very well be construed as a standard Debian Operating System library. > Could we get the FSF to clarify if this would allow us to link GPLed > software to this library under the OS linki

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 15:24, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > libssl0.9.6 is a standard library in main, so I guess it could > > very well be construed as a standard Debian Operating System library. > > Could we get the FSF to clarify if this would allow us

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Simon Law
On 29 May 2002, Jeff Licquia wrote: > In most cases, I think that rebuilding the package with "--no-ssl" or > some such should do the trick. For others, simply removing the > offending package may also suffice. This would seriously cripple most security software. Which is not something

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 17:00, Simon Law wrote: > On 29 May 2002, Jeff Licquia wrote: > > > In most cases, I think that rebuilding the package with "--no-ssl" or > > some such should do the trick. For others, simply removing the > > offending package may also suffice. > > This would seriousl

Re: GPLed software and OpenSSL

2002-05-29 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 01:17:42PM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > As well, libssl0.9.6 isn't automatically > installed with the system. Sure it is: Package: libssl0.9.6 Priority: standard Section: libs Source: openssl Version: 0.9.6c-2 It's depended on by ssh, which is also standard in woody. I think