Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What does the GPL definition have to do with Debian? Perhaps you were unaware of it. Many Debian packages contain GPL'd elements. Thomas

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:59:27PM -0700, John Galt wrote: > I submit since postscript is turing complete, postscript documents are > actually already in source form. "A Turing-complete system is one in which the behaviour of a universal Turing machine can be completely emulated." Er. That woul

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
I am fully aware of the fact that Debian contains GPL'd stuff. But what does a GPL definition of source have to do with a DFSG 2 determination? On 17 Mar 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> What does the GPL definition have to do with Debian? > >Pe

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am fully aware of the fact that Debian contains GPL'd stuff. But what > does a GPL definition of source have to do with a DFSG 2 determination? The context was not asking that question.

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I submit since postscript is turing complete, postscript documents are > actually already in source form. If the GPL is in question, it gives a specific definition of "source" under which most postscript documents are not in source form. Thomas

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Glenn Maynard wrote: >On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:59:27PM -0700, John Galt wrote: >> I submit since postscript is turing complete, postscript documents are >> actually already in source form. > >"A Turing-complete system is one in which the behaviour of a universal >Turing mac

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
On 17 Mar 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I am fully aware of the fact that Debian contains GPL'd stuff. But what >> does a GPL definition of source have to do with a DFSG 2 determination? > >The context was not asking that question. No, in contex

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Okay, provide a definition of source that includes interpretive languages > such as Perl. I submit that any definition of source so broad as to > include a perlscript must necessarily include a postscript document. I think we can just use the same one as

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 12:15:41AM -0700, John Galt wrote: > Okay, provide a definition of source that includes interpretive languages > such as Perl. I submit that any definition of source so broad as to > include a perlscript must necessarily include a postscript document. The form of a {prog

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
On 17 Mar 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Okay, provide a definition of source that includes interpretive languages >> such as Perl. I submit that any definition of source so broad as to >> include a perlscript must necessarily include a postscript

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
At least in the case of bind, the GPL is not part of the question. Look at the license for bind... On 17 Mar 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I submit since postscript is turing complete, postscript documents are >> actually already in source form.

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Glenn Maynard wrote: >On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 12:15:41AM -0700, John Galt wrote: >> Okay, provide a definition of source that includes interpretive languages >> such as Perl. I submit that any definition of source so broad as to >> include a perlscript must necessarily incl

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 01:14:50AM -0700, John Galt wrote: > >The form of a {program,document} that is intended for modification. This > >includes perl scripts (unless they've been run through an obfuscator), > >human-editable HTML, and human-editable PDF. It clearly doesn't include > >most gener

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:24:36AM +, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: > I would also guess that in most cases the availability of source is > irrelevant, because the academic paper isn't available under a > DFSG-free licence anyway; most authors of academic papers don't want > other people distribu

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Sam Hartman
> "John" == John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> On 17 Mar 2002, Sam Hartman wrote: >>> "C" == C M Connelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> C> Many packages contain preprints or reprints of academic papers C> as part of their documentation. In many cases, there i

[hugh@mimosa.com: RE: Bug#120759: jove doesn't seem to have an free license.]

2002-03-18 Thread Cord Beermann
Hi. would you comment on these two suggestions? are they ok for us? thanks, Cord PS: please Cc me on replies. - Forwarded message from "D. Hugh Redelmeier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - X-Envelope-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: "D. Hugh Redel

Source, Opaqueness, Transparency

2002-03-18 Thread Christopher Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Glenn Maynard) wrote: > And we're back at the fact that "source", like "software", is hard > to define, and sometimes it's even hard to tell intuitively. (With > respect to exported HTML I suppose the original Word document is the > source; but it hardly seems correct to call it

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