Re: Final Draft: Interpretive Guideline regarding DFSG clause 3

2001-12-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 12:47:11PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > That's quite correct. We're also discussing moving the Gdb manual from > main, and seem to have agreed that that's entirely appropriate. N.B., an older version of the GDB Manual, corresponding to version 4.18,, is entirely Free. At

Re: Final Draft: Interpretive Guideline regarding DFSG clause 3

2001-12-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 03:26:49AM -0600, Adrián De León wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > (What if RMS expands the GNU Manifesto to double its current size?) > > FWIW The GNU Manifesto starts like this: > > The GNU Manifesto which appears below was written by Richard

Re: Final Draft: Interpretive Guideline regarding DFSG clause 3

2001-12-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 05:36:29PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > Just so I can follow the teams, is there anyone who doesn't feel their > position falls more-or-less into one of the following? > > 1) Documents aren't software, so it's ok to include non-free documents in > Debian. > > 2) Documents wit

Re: Final Draft: Interpretive Guideline regarding DFSG clause 3

2001-12-15 Thread Stephen Turner
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > we are only at the very start of addressing the issue how to interpret the > DFSG for documentation > Oh, good. :-) -- Stephen Turner, Cambridge, UKhttp://homepage.ntlworld.com/adelie/stephen/ "This is Henman's 8th Wimbledon, and he's only lo

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:31:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > I prefer a proportional limit for two reasons. First, a fixed limit > invites the abuse of splitting a big invariant thing into a bunch of > packages. Second, a proportional limit guarantees that we get some > real fully-free

Re: Final Draft: Interpretive Guideline regarding DFSG clause 3

2001-12-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 05:36:29PM -0800, Mark Rafn wrote: > Just so I can follow the teams, is there anyone who doesn't feel their > position falls more-or-less into one of the following? Thank you for this excellent summary :) [positions elided, they've been quoted often enough] > BTW, I have

Re: A concrete proposal

2001-12-15 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:00:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > The following is a concrete proposal, but it has two very important > BLANKS in it, with some suggested things that could fill in the > BLANKS. My purpose in giving this is that I think we can all agree > about everything here

Re: An attempt to narrow the issues

2001-12-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 08:37:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > One example of a requirement that doesn't impinge freeness, but isn't > in option one, is something that says "you must preserve the notice > that the unmodified version of this software can be found at web site > foo." Such a

Re: A concrete proposal

2001-12-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:43:08PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Sections like the "Distribution" section are very common in software; > I was assuming that it counted as text incidental to the license. The > Distribution section is rather more verbose, but it's very common to > have licens

Re: An attempt to narrow the issues

2001-12-15 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 03:52:42PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 08:37:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > One example of a requirement that doesn't impinge freeness, but isn't > > in option one, is something that says "you must preserve the notice > > that the un

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 09:31:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > I prefer a proportional limit for two reasons. First, a fixed limit > > invites the abuse of splitting a big invariant thing into a bunch of > > packages. Second, a proportion

Re: An attempt to narrow the issues

2001-12-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In fact, the GPL usually is applied in a way to allow upgrading the license > to any later version, so this problem was neatly solved for the GPL. I > don't know if the new address spawned a new version, but the FSF would have > clarified, I am sure.

Re: A concrete proposal

2001-12-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This problem affects the GPL itself as well, and the last time the FSF > moved it was handled via silent replacement of the license text. I even > wrote the Lintian check for that :-) But the GPL has explicit provisions > that allow such upgrading,

Licence Question for ttf fonts

2001-12-15 Thread Erich Schubert
Please CC: me, i'm not subscribed to debian-legal. Note: i posted this in October already. Attached below is the planned "debian/copyright", including the licence i got from the author. Can this package go into non-free? The biggest Problem is the sentence "The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed, not s

Re: Licence Question for ttf fonts

2001-12-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 11:28:53PM +0100, Erich Schubert wrote: > The biggest Problem is the sentence "The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed, > not sold." i think. This is a legal fiction -- though it happens to be one that even Free Software licensors attempt to use to their advantage -- so I don't th

Re: Licence Question for ttf fonts

2001-12-15 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 06:00:02PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 11:28:53PM +0100, Erich Schubert wrote: > > The biggest Problem is the sentence "The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed, > > not sold." i think. > > This is a legal fiction -- though it happens to be one that eve

Re: Licence Question for ttf fonts

2001-12-15 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 11:28:53PM +0100, Erich Schubert wrote: > > [...] > > copyright: > --- > Larabie Fonts End-user license agreement software product from Larabie Fonts > --- > > [...] > If you keep the fonts as th

wpoison, is it okay?

2001-12-15 Thread Robert Millan
Hi! Could you take a look at wpoison? (RFP #122929) I guess it's DFSG compliant but just to make sure... I've also asked the author for permission to use PNG versions of his official GIF, do you think the modified license is okay too? These are the changes for the new license: 27,30c27,34 < #

Re: wpoison, is it okay?

2001-12-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 12:50:54AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > 27,30c27,34 > < # software or any derivative or modified version thereof. Also, the > < # official Wpoison logo itself must be include in an HTML hyperlink > < # so that any usser clicking on any part of the logo image wi