Re: Debian Package for Phylip - stripped to 3 questions

2001-11-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Walter Landry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ummm, where do you see this in the Artistic License? It says that you > can't charge a fee for the package, but you can charge whatever you > like for the act of transferring. How is that going to accomplish > Joe's aims (to get a cut for every copy so

existing FDL documentation won't hurt

2001-11-25 Thread Bernd Warken
Some time ago, there was a discussion to make documents under the GNU Free Documentation License (FDL) unfree for Debian. This is not necessary. The FDL seems to have a bug and some flaws. The bug that arbitrary sections can be shut off from modification is only a potential danger for misuse. A

Re: existing FDL documentation won't hurt

2001-11-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Bernd Warken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Some time ago, there was a discussion to make documents under the GNU > Free Documentation License (FDL) unfree for Debian. This is not > necessary. ... > Therefore, it would be enough to put a freeze to not use the FDL for > future documents, but lea

Re: existing FDL documentation won't hurt

2001-11-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:59:47PM +0100, Bernd Warken wrote: > Some time ago, there was a discussion to make documents under the GNU > Free Documentation License (FDL) unfree for Debian. Some time ago, there was an actual thread containing actual discussion and actual proposals. Maybe you should

Re: existing FDL documentation won't hurt

2001-11-25 Thread Sunnanvind Fenderson
Again... this whole issue seems like it originated with me misunderstanding Branden. I somehow (don't ask me how) got under the impression that he thought that the "Debian shall remain 100% free software"-part of the social contract meant that every part of every piece of software should comp

Re: existing FDL documentation won't hurt

2001-11-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sunnanvind Fenderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (Oh, and by the way, RMS kept ignoring me. That's really creepy, am I > in his killfile or something?) Did he get your messages? He doesn't subscribe to debian-legal, so if you over-zealously trimmed him from your messages, of course he wouldn't

Re: existing FDL documentation won't hurt

2001-11-25 Thread Sunnanvind Fenderson
On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 02:18 AM, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Did he get your messages? He doesn't subscribe to debian-legal, so if you over-zealously trimmed him from your messages, of course he wouldn't get them. I'm sure he got at least one (he has that auto-response thing going on

PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Branden Robinson
[RMS: I invite your participation in this process.] Summary: Per recent discussion on the debian-legal mailing list regarding DFSG section 3 and provisions of the GNU Free Documentation License that allow for non-modifiable "Invariant Sections", and "Cover Texts", I am proposing a guideline for i

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Initial observations or Brandon's proposal: 1: Please separate the "whereas" from the actual proposal. People might agree with the proposal, but for different reasons, and might not want to seem to be signing on to the whereas clauses--and reject it for that reason alone. I assume you don't car

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Sunnanvind Fenderson
I must confess, I'm very happy with Branden's proposal. The shorter and informal one that Thomas posted would probably suffice, but I feel we can't do totally without one - it should at least be stated somewhere, sometime that Debian *can* distribute license texts and invariant, auxiliary mate

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sunnanvind Fenderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The shorter and informal one that Thomas posted would probably > suffice, but I feel we can't do totally without one - it should at > least be stated somewhere, sometime that Debian *can* distribute > license texts and invariant, auxiliary materia

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Sunnanvind Fenderson
Or, we could point out that it's the Debian Free *Software* Guidelines, not the Debian free-everything-in-the-world guidelines. I Isn't that exactly what this is? Besides, remember the Social Contract: "Debian will remain 100% Free Software". It can be interpreted as "All software in Debia

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sunnanvind Fenderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Or, we could point out that it's the Debian Free *Software* > > Guidelines, not the Debian free-everything-in-the-world guidelines. I > Isn't that exactly what this is? No, this goes way way beyond that... > I do think your informal guidelin

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Sunnanvind Fenderson
I think Branden's (despite his plea at the end) will end up getting interpreted as narrow legal rules, and we will see people (perhaps with pseudonymous initials JG) saying noise like "this meets the letter of the rule, why are you complaining". I think that the plea (and the fact that these ar

Alternatives, schmalternatives...

2001-11-25 Thread Sunnanvind Fenderson
Either way, I thought of it first, I rule! Er... I mean, don't blame me! Unless it's good. Then yeah, I thought of it. Otherwise no. Sunnanvind (my noise-to-signal ratio will decrease, don't worry.)

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:17:05PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Initial observations or Brandon's proposal: Bzzzt. You lose points for forgetting how to spell my name despite the fact that we've communicated dozens of times before. > 1: Please separate the "whereas" from the actual propo

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-11-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 6: I am *still* unclear why we need a policy. > > I don't trust everyone in the world to live up to the standard set by > the FSF. The FSF put out a license called the GNU FDL and is asking the > world to use it. That's great. The license contai