Some questions

2001-03-29 Thread Bernhard R. Link
As I do not know, how the "No Discrimination"-parts of the DFSG are interpreted, I wanted to ask about the Jabber Open Source Licence (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/jabberpl.html), escpecially about 9b) of it: Termination Upon Assertion of Patent Infringement. If you initiate litigation b

Re: License question about prag

2001-03-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 1) Source code for the entire package must be distributed with > any derived work incorporating ANY part of PRAG. > is a little vague though. Does he mean that I can not take a .c > file and place it in another work? What he presumably m

Re: Some questions

2001-03-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| Termination Upon Assertion of Patent Infringement. If you initiate >| litigation by asserting a patent infringement claim ... alleging >| that Licensed Product ... infringes any patent, then any and all >| rights ... shall terminate. I think c

Re: diablo license

2001-03-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 29, "Thomas Bushnell, BSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It seems pretty clear to me that it is not DFSG-free. A DFSG program >needs to be usable on any operating system without discrimination, and >this license says you can use it on Linux without worrying, but if you >merely bundle it

Re: diablo license

2001-03-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >5. When this software or any work derived from this software is used in a > > commercial product or bundled with a commercial product, the vendor must > > also produce the program this software is derived from for > > either the Linux or FreeBSD o

Re: Some questions

2001-03-29 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > But it might also be argued that making exceptions even for software > patenteers and child pornographers is a slippery slope which we should > stay away from. What does "discriminate" mean, anyway? I think usually it means making an arbitrary or unnecessary

Re: diablo license

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
"Marco d'Itri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mar 29, "Thomas Bushnell, BSG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >It seems pretty clear to me that it is not DFSG-free. A DFSG program > >needs to be usable on any operating system without discrimination, and > >this license says you can use it on

copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Jörgen Hägg
This copyright notice seems free enough, as I can see they don't want any responsibility but do want credit for their work. Fair enough I think. :-) Is this ok for Debian? /* * Copyright 1992 Purdue Research Foundation, West Lafayette, Indiana * 47907. All rights reserved. * * Written by K

more copyright issues

2001-03-29 Thread Jörgen Hägg
Going thru the files I found more copyright notices, the files have different copyrights (sorry for the wasted bandwith). It seems as if the code has been modified/written both at Purdue and Ohio State. Can this be accepted as free (for Debian)? Copyright (c) 1990 The Ohio State University. All

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:50:41PM +0200, Jörgen Hägg wrote: > This copyright notice seems free enough, as I can see they > don't want any responsibility but do want credit for their work. > Fair enough I think. :-) > > Is this ok for Debian? Looks good to me. It's in the general MIT/BSD family

Re: more copyright issues

2001-03-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:01:57PM +0200, Jörgen Hägg wrote: > Going thru the files I found more copyright notices, the files have different > copyrights (sorry for the wasted bandwith). > It seems as if the code has been modified/written both at Purdue and Ohio > State. > > Can this be accepted

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Jörgen Hägg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This copyright notice seems free enough, as I can see they > don't want any responsibility but do want credit for their work. > Fair enough I think. :-) > > Is this ok for Debian? Unfortunately, it lacks permission to distribute modified copies (which tu

Re: more copyright issues

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Jörgen Hägg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Going thru the files I found more copyright notices, the files have different > copyrights (sorry for the wasted bandwith). > It seems as if the code has been modified/written both at Purdue and Ohio > State. > > Can this be accepted as free (for Debian)

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jörgen Hägg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is this ok for Debian? Yes. -- Henning Makholm"De er da bare dumme. Det skal du bare sige til dem."

Re: more copyright issues

2001-03-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jörgen Hägg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Can this be accepted as free (for Debian)? Yes, it's basically a BSD licence. We usually tacitly ignore the advertising clauses... -- Henning Makholm "Nobody is going to start shouting ab

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > Unfortunately, it lacks permission to distribute modified copies "... and to alter it and distribute it freely"? -- Henning Makholm "Hele toget raslede imens Sjælland fór forbi."

Re: more copyright issues

2001-03-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 01:03:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > This license doesn't permit modification or distribution of modified > versions. That might be a problem; it would be good to ask the > authors. Hrm, yes, I note upon review of the BSD and MIT licenses that the ones at issue

Re: copyright question

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) > > > Unfortunately, it lacks permission to distribute modified copies > > "... and to alter it and distribute it freely"? While all logic and reason might say that is good enough, it at least one no

Re: more copyright issues

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Still smarting from the University of Washington, eh? :-( You betcha.

Re: more copyright issues

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Scripsit Jörgen Hägg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Can this be accepted as free (for Debian)? > > Yes, it's basically a BSD licence. We usually tacitly ignore > the advertising clauses... The advertising clause is usually thought not to be enforceable i

The date? [more copyright issues]

2001-03-29 Thread Joergen Haegg
I assume if these copyrights appear in the same source file, then they must all be followed? Haven't quite understod the importance of the date. These copyrights (and there are actually a few more without explicit copyright which I'm trying to locate) have different dates. How does the date work

Re: The date? [more copyright issues]

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Joergen Haegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I assume if these copyrights appear in the same source file, then > they must all be followed? > > Haven't quite understod the importance of the date. These > copyrights (and there are actually a few more without explicit > copyright which I'm trying to

Re: The date? [more copyright issues]

2001-03-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:20:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > The date is irrelevant. It just defines when the copyright expires. Well, except in the United States, where copyrights never expire. :-P -- G. Branden Robinson | You don't just decide to break Kubrick's Debi

Re: The date? [more copyright issues]

2001-03-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:20:16PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > The date is irrelevant. It just defines when the copyright expires. > > Well, except in the United States, where copyrights never expire. :-P It would be funny if it weren't