Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread Raul Miller
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see any way that the law is about to let you take material > to which you own no rights, attach a license to it, and enforce that > license. Ok, I sat down for a couple minutes and looked things up for myself. The fundamental question is: does this

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread Richard Braakman
Raul Miller wrote: from the House report: > The prohibition on copyright protection for United States Government works >is not intended to have any effect on protection of these works abroad. Works >of the governments of most other countries are copyrighted. There are no >valid policy reasons fo

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread John Hasler
Raul writes: > The fundamental question is: does this governmental work meet DFSG I don't believe that I have ever disputed that. > Secondly, 17 USC 103 isn't the right section. Let's start with 17 USC > 105: I already cited that. > In other words, there's no limits on distribution, modificatio

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread Raul Miller
Raul Miller wrote: > from the House report: > > > The prohibition on copyright protection for United States Government works > >is not intended to have any effect on protection of these works abroad. Works > >of the governments of most other countries are copyrighted. There are no > >valid policy

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread Raul Miller
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right. The author is forbidden to enforce its copyright. No one else has > any standing to do so. You have no rights to the material: you cannot sue > people who make copies without your permission. Neither can anyone else, > so everybody is free to do a

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread Raul Miller
I wrote: > Stuff like these house reports do have some weight, but it's mostly > the weight of agreement. But books have been written on the nature > of the U.S. legislative process.. it's a lot more complex than Debian's > btw, and I think I've said enough in that direction for now. I should hav

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread John Hasler
Richard Braakman writes: > This is what I was afraid of. It means that as a global organization, we > will need a license for all such works, in order to consider them > DFSG-free. I missed this when I glanced over the report Raul posted. This would tend to support my theory that the US Governme

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread John Hasler
Raul writes: > It's possible to a take a public domain work, derive some other work from > it (for example, by compiling the program -- perhaps with other changes) > and sell it for a lot of money under a restrictive license. Yes, of course it is. But the license really only applies to that portio

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread Raul Miller
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, of course it is. But the license really only applies to that > portion of the derivative that is your work. The term "relicensing" > implies otherwise, which is why I object to it. Hmm.. are you saying that U.S. citizens do *not* have the right to dist

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread Henning Makholm
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hmm.. are you saying that U.S. citizens do *not* have the right to > distribute [unclassified] U.S. government works overseas, under any > license? If there is a license, no problem. But if there is no license neither U.S. or non-U.S. citizens have that r

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread Raul Miller
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If there is a license, no problem. But if there is no license neither > U.S. or non-U.S. citizens have that right outside of the USA. Hmm... yes, I have to agree with this. Thanks, sorry if I've been a bit dense, -- Raul

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-09 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Yes, of course it is. But the license really only applies to that > portion of the derivative that is your work. The term "relicensing" > implies otherwise, which is why I object to it. Raul writes: > Hmm.. are you saying that U.S. citizens do *not* have the right to > distribute [uncla

Re: License

1999-06-09 Thread Andrea Fanfani
On Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:04:29AM -0700, David Lawyer wrote: > Ismael Olea wrote: > > Hum. This is a very complex stuff. What about recomend the use of GPL > >for new docs? Hi all, i'm the debian maintainer of the guide of LDP. Actually not all the guide of LDP are considered debian free soft