Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Nov 18, 2003, at 14:07, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: ;;; 2. Users of this software agree to make their best efforts (a) to return ;;;to the T Project at Yale any improvements or extensions that they make, ;;;so that these may be included in future releases; and (b) to inform ;;;th

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Nov 18, 2003, at 05:55, Andrew Suffield wrote: ;;; 2. Users of this software agree to make their best efforts (a) to return ;;;to the T Project at Yale any improvements or extensions that they make, ;;;so that these may be included in future releases; and (b) to inform ;;;the

[OT] Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:07:18PM -0700, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: > The maintainer might want to contact the upstream author (Olin > Shivers) who I suspect would be willing to get the license changed. > If he gives you any trouble feel free to invoke my name as follows: > "if these lame clauses ar

Re: [OT] Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 12:22:50PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > Regarding acknowledgements in papers, yes... one of my major > professor's works has an acknowledgement to "Dr. Smirnov for > stimulating critical thought processes" [iirc... don't have it in > front of me.] Is that the "Doctor Smirn

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:05:57AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: > >> scsh-0.6.4/scheme/big/sort.scm: > >> > >> ;;; 2. Users of this software agree to make their best efforts (a) to > >> return > >> ;;;to the T Project at Yale any improvements or extensions that they > >> make, > >> ;;;

[OT] Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: > No you aren't. I've never met an academic who did this unless it was > actually relevant to the talk. Normally you just put a footnote in > the associated paper. Often you'll see an acknowledgement/thanks page in talks which lists who actually did the

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:07:43PM +0100, Daniel Kobras wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:29:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: >> On reflection, we've rejected this exact clause (in its MIT Scheme >> incarnation) as non-free in the past, after some heavy analysis of >> the wording. > All I fou

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Daniel Kobras
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 05:29:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On reflection, we've rejected this exact clause (in its MIT Scheme > incarnation) as non-free in the past, after some heavy analysis of the > wording. All I found was the thread starting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:55:23AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:39:56AM +0100, Daniel Kobras wrote: > > We're currently trying to sort out the non-free status of scsh within > > Debian. Most of the issues are unambiguous, however, I'd like to see > > some more opinions

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-19 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:05:57AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: > >> ;;; 3. All materials developed as a consequence of the use of this software > >> ;;;shall duly acknowledge such use, in accordance with the usual > >> standards > >> ;;;of acknowledging credit in academic research. > >

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-11-18 19:07:18 + Barak Pearlmutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: aren't removed, Barak Pearlmutter cannot guarantee that he will not give your phone number to his ex-wife." That should get results. What, no automatic weapons?

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Barak Pearlmutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This clause is moot, because "The T Project at Yale" has not existed > for the last fifteen years. I grabbed the source and looked at it. As Daniel wrote, there are three files with this clause in them. The one that references the T Project implem

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Barak Pearlmutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ;;; 2. Users of this software agree to make their best efforts (a) > > ;;; to return to the T Project at Yale any improvements or > > ;;; extensions that they make, so that these may be included in > This clause is moot, because "The T Project at

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
> > might want to contact the upstream author (Olin Shivers) who I > > suspect would be willing to get the license changed. > > All parts under Olin Shivers's copyright are already relicensed to BSD > no-ad. The issue remaining are in files that bear another copyright > notice, from another holder

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
> ;;; 2. Users of this software agree to make their best efforts (a) to return > ;;;to the T Project at Yale any improvements or extensions that they make, > ;;;so that these may be included in future releases; and (b) to inform > ;;;the T Project of noteworthy uses of this software. T

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
(I'm the new maintainer of the Debian package of scsh) On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:07:18PM -0700, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: >> ;;; 2. Users of this software agree to make their best efforts (a) to return >> ;;;to the T Project at Yale any improvements or extensions that they >> make, >> ;;;

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:39:56AM +0100, Daniel Kobras wrote: >> We're currently trying to sort out the non-free status of scsh within >> Debian. Most of the issues are unambiguous, however, I'd like to see >> some more opinions on the following two c

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > ;;; 2. Users of this software agree to make their best efforts (a) to return > > ;;;to the T Project at Yale any improvements or extensions that they > > make, > > ;;;so that these may be included in future releases; and (b) to inform > > ;;;th

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:55:23AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:39:56AM +0100, Daniel Kobras wrote: > > We're currently trying to sort out the non-free status of scsh within > > Debian. Most of the issues are unambiguous, however, I'd like to see > > some more opinions

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:39:56AM +0100, Daniel Kobras wrote: > We're currently trying to sort out the non-free status of scsh within > Debian. Most of the issues are unambiguous, however, I'd like to see > some more opinions on the following two clauses contained in a couple of > source files. >

possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Daniel Kobras
Hi! We're currently trying to sort out the non-free status of scsh within Debian. Most of the issues are unambiguous, however, I'd like to see some more opinions on the following two clauses contained in a couple of source files. scsh-0.6.4/scheme/big/sort.scm: ;;; 2. Users of this software agre